Gravitation and the Principle of Superposition

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The problem involves determining the distance from Earth at which a space probe must be positioned along the line toward the Sun so that the gravitational forces from both the Earth and the Sun on the probe are balanced. The subject area is gravitation and the application of the principle of superposition.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the gravitational force equations and the setup of the problem, questioning the use of variables and the representation of distances. There is an emphasis on ensuring correct arithmetic and understanding the relationships between the distances involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on checking calculations and clarifying the use of variables. There is recognition of the correct approach taken by the original poster, though some participants express uncertainty about the representation of distances.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the need for careful arithmetic and the potential for confusion regarding the distances involved, particularly the distinction between the distances from the Earth and the Sun to the probe.

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Homework Statement


How far from Earth must a space prove be along a line toward the Sun, so that that the Sun's gravitational pull on the probe balances the Earth's pull


Homework Equations


F=Gm1m2/d^2


The Attempt at a Solution


d1=distance from probe to Earth
distance from sun to Earth = 1.50x10^11 m
distance from the sun to probe = 1.5x10^11 m - d1
mass of Earth = 5.98x10^24 kg = m2
mass of sun = 1.99x10^30 kg = m3
m1 = mass of probe

I set the force on the probe from Earth equal to the force on the probe from the sun to get:
(Gm2m1)/d1^2 = (Gm1m3)/(d1^2-(3.0x10^11)d1+2.25x10^22)

When I solve for d1, I do not get the answer which is 2.6x10^5 Km. It could easily be a math error, but the fact that I have to use such tedious calculations makes me wonder if I am doing the problem correctly, especially as the mass of sun, mass of earth, distance from sun to Earth are not given.
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what is that equation you are using for the probe-sun distance?
 
just F=Gm1m2/D^2

I plugged in 1.5x10^11 - d1 into D^2
 
i see. i would suggest you make sure you solve the equation carefully as to not make arithmetic errors. I'm pretty sure that's all this is.
 
brendan3eb said:
just F=Gm1m2/D^2

I plugged in 1.5x10^11 - d1 into D^2

I do not believe that you are using the equations properly.

I suggest using R_1 to represent the distance between the Earth and satellite and R_2 to represent the distance between the Sun and the satellite.

You seem to be using 1 au-d1 to represent something here. But 1au is not the distance between the SATELLITE and anything; it is the distance between the Earth and Sun only.

Do you see what I mean? You should end up with two unknowns.

Casey
 
he's doing it correctly actually. the distance between the sun and the probe can be expressed as a difference of the earth-sun distance and the earth-probe distance.
 
I'll double-check. Thanks for the help fliinghier :)
 
fliinghier said:
he's doing it correctly actually. the distance between the sun and the probe can be expressed as a difference of the earth-sun distance and the earth-probe distance.

Yes I see now. He is using two unknowns, and he eliminated one of them already.

Kudos! It usually takes me two steps to acomplish what you have done in one! I will keep your method in mind for future problems.

Casey
 

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