Gravitational Potential energy problem

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the gravitational potential energy (GPE) of a child on a swing at various positions relative to the lowest point of the swing. The subject area is gravitational potential energy in the context of mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the gravitational potential energy formula and the reasoning behind the use of 1 - cos 30° in the calculations for part (b). There is confusion regarding the vertical distances involved in the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the vertical distances relevant to the problem, particularly in clarifying how to determine the height difference from the swing's position to the lowest point. There is ongoing exploration of the reasoning behind the formula used for calculating GPE.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the gravitational potential energy is being calculated relative to the lowest position of the swing, which is central to their discussions.

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Homework Statement


A 400-N child is in a swing that is attached to ropes 2.00 m long. Find the gravitational potential energy of the child–Earth system relative to the child’s lowest position when (a) the ropes are horizontal, (b) the ropes make a 30.0° angle with the vertical, and (c) the child is at the bottom of the circular arc.


Homework Equations



Ug = mgy

The Attempt at a Solution



For a) there was no problem.

For b) I thought it was as simple as applying Ug = mgy cos 30° = (400 N)(2.0 m) cos 30°

But the book says its Ug = mgy (1-cos 30°)

That's my confusion... why 1 - cos 30° and not cos 30° by itself??

any help? Thanks in advance!
 

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The problem is asking for the GPE relative to the lowest position. For part (b), the figure shows that 2 cos 30 is the vertical distance from the swing to its ropes attachment point. You want the vertical distance from the swing to the low point.
 
PhanthomJay said:
The problem is asking for the GPE relative to the lowest position. For part (b), the figure shows that 2 cos 30 is the vertical distance from the swing to its ropes attachment point. You want the vertical distance from the swing to the low point.


Ok but why substract 1 - cos 30°? :(

thanks for the help!
 
In the 30 degree position, the vert distance from the swing to the top is 2cos30 m. The vert distance from the low point of the swing to the top is 2. Thus, the distance from the swing in its 30 degree position to the low point is (2) - (2cos30) = 2(1-cos30) m.
 
lolll it's only factored out right??

Thanks a lot!
 

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