Group Theory: Finite Abelian Groups - An element of order

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The discussion revolves around identifying all abelian groups of order 675 and determining the existence of an element of order 45 within each group. The context is rooted in group theory, specifically the properties of finite abelian groups as outlined by the Fundamental Theorem of Finite Abelian Groups and Lagrange's Theorem.

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  • Participants explore the prime factorization of 675 to identify potential abelian group structures. There is an attempt to apply the Fundamental Theorem of Finite Abelian Groups to list the groups. Questions arise regarding the existence of elements of order 45 and the necessary conditions for such elements to exist within the identified groups.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and questioning the requirements for subgroups that could contain elements of the desired order. Some participants express confusion about the implications of subgroup orders and the conditions necessary for the existence of an element of order 45.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the subgroup structure needed to support an element of order 45, particularly in relation to the constraints imposed by the order of the groups and the requirements of Lagrange's Theorem.

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Homework Statement


Decide all abelian groups of order 675. Find an element of order 45 in each one of the groups, if it exists.

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Fundamental Theorem of Finite Abelian Groups
Lagrange's Theorem and its corollaries (not sure if helpful for this problem)

The Attempt at a Solution


I used the Fundamental Theorem of Finite Abelian Groups to find the abelian groups. The prime factorization of 675 is
$$
\begin{split}
675 &= 3 \cdot 3 \cdot 3 \cdot 5 \cdot 5 \\
& = 3^{2} \cdot 3 \cdot 5 \cdot 5 = 9 \cdot 3 \cdot 5 \cdot 5 \\
& = 3^{3} \cdot 5 \cdot 5 = 27 \cdot 5 \cdot 5 \\
&= 3 \cdot 3 \cdot 3 \cdot 5^{2} = 3 \cdot 3 \cdot 3 \cdot 25 \\
&= 3^{2} \cdot 3 \cdot 5^{2} = 9 \cdot 3 \cdot 25 \\
&= 3^{3} \cdot 5^{2} = 27 \cdot 25 .\\
\end{split}
$$

and the groups are

$$
\begin{split}
\mathbb{Z}_{3} \times \mathbb{Z}_{3} \times \mathbb{Z}_{3} \times \mathbb{Z}_{5} \times \mathbb{Z}_{5} \quad & \land \quad \mathbb{Z}_{9} \times \mathbb{Z}_{3} \times \mathbb{Z}_{5} \times \mathbb{Z}_{5} \\
\mathbb{Z}_{27} \times \mathbb{Z}_{5} \times \mathbb{Z}_{5} \quad & \land \quad \mathbb{Z}_{3} \times \mathbb{Z}_{3} \times \mathbb{Z}_{3} \times \mathbb{Z}_{25} \\
\mathbb{Z}_{9} \times \mathbb{Z}_{3} \times \mathbb{Z}_{25} \quad & \land \quad \mathbb{Z}_{27} \times \mathbb{Z}_{25} .
\end{split}
$$

I am stuck on the second question "Find an element of order 45 in each one of the groups, if it exists.". I know that I have to find an ##a \in G## (where G is each of the above abelian groups) such that ##order(a) := \#(<a>) = \#(\{k \cdot a : k \in \mathbb{Z}\}) = 45##, where ##\#(\bullet)## is the cardinality of a set; or show that such an element a does not exist.

Hints are very much appreciated.
 
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You surely need a subgroup ##U## with ##45\,|\,|U|\,.## So what about subgroups which contain ##\mathbb{Z}_{45}\,?##
 
fresh_42 said:
You surely need a subgroup ##U## with ##45\,|\,|U|\,.## So what about subgroups which contain ##\mathbb{Z}_{45}\,?##

I don't quite understand. I am really lost on this one. If I am supposed to find a subgroup U with ##45 | |U|##, then this subgroup must have ##|U| = 45, 90, 135, ... ##
 
Given an element ##g## of order ##45## in ##G##, it must be part of a subgroup ##U## with at least ##\mathbb{Z}_{45} \subseteq U##. We have in addition ##|U|\,|\,|G|=675## so ##|U|=90## is not possible.
 

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