COVID Guide to Designing Low Cost Ventilators for COVID-19

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The discussion centers around a 15-minute video that critiques the effectiveness of low-cost $50 ventilators, highlighting significant shortcomings in their design and functionality, particularly for patients with severe respiratory issues. Participants express concern over the simplicity of BVM-based ventilation methods, which lack essential features for effective treatment. The conversation also touches on the historical use of iron lungs, noting their obsolescence in modern medicine due to advancements in respiratory therapies, although they gained renewed interest during the COVID-19 pandemic as a potential alternative to more complex ventilators. Questions arise regarding the feasibility of artificial lungs and alternative methods of oxygenation, with mention of ExtraCorporeal Membrane Oxygenation (ECMO) as a current technology that addresses some of these needs. Overall, the thread emphasizes the complexities and limitations of low-cost ventilator designs in critical care settings.
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It's a 15 minute video showing and explaining some of the non-obvious reasons that the $50 ventilators don't work.

For some of the low-cost designs see:
https://makerfaire.com/maker/entry/71747/

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Tom
 
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Tom.G said:
non-obvious reasons that the $50 ventilators don't work.
Oh my, that's brutal. As they say in the video, these folks are well-meaning, but so many important features can't be implemented with simple BVM-based ventillation, especially with such sick lungs. Thanks for the video.
 
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Whoa. Some of those "designs" are just totally irresponsible, useless, and creepy.

Questions:
1. What ever happened to the iron lung. Wasn't that using negative pressure.
2. We don't yet have an artificial lung to pass the blood through to oxygenate and de-carbonate. Based on fuel cell technology that has become more mature - ie transfer of ions through a membrane, although here we would be dealing with concentration of molecules.
3. What if had another animal "breath" for the patient, passing the blood through their system. Problems with that no doubt, besides the ethical questions arising.
 
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256bits said:
What ever happened to the iron lung.
Yeah, I had the same thought. It looks like there would still be problems, but at least the alveoli are less at risk when negative pressure is used. Probably the large size is one drawback...
 
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Interesting Wikipedia article...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_lung

The use of iron lungs is largely obsolete in modern medicine, as superior breathing therapies have been developed[citation needed], and due to the eradication of polio in most of the world.[5] However, in 2020, the COVID-19 pandemic revived some interest in the device as a cheap, readily-producible substitute for positive-ventilation ventilators, which were feared to be outnumbered by potential victims temporarily needing artificially assisted respiration.[6][7][8][9]
 
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256bits said:
2. We don't yet have an artificial lung to pass the blood through to oxygenate and de-carbonate.
Ahh! But we do.
It's called "ExtraCorporeal Membrane Oxygenation" or ECMO.

I presume its the same technology used in Heart-Lung machines used during open-heart surgery.

https://www.google.com/search?&q=extracorporeal+membrane+oxygenation

(ain't technology great?)

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Tom
 
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