Harmonic oscillation; new amplitude?

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The problem involves a block attached to a spring on a frictionless surface, where a lump of clay is dropped onto the block at a specific time, affecting the system's amplitude and angular frequency. The context is harmonic oscillation and conservation of momentum.

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of momentum and energy principles to find the new amplitude and angular frequency after the collision. There are attempts to express relationships between variables and concerns about the correctness of energy conservation assumptions.

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Participants are exploring various interpretations of energy conservation and momentum in the context of an inelastic collision. Some have provided guidance on the potential and kinetic energy calculations immediately after the collision, while others are questioning the assumptions made regarding energy conservation.

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There are ongoing discussions about the definitions of variables and the relationships between them, particularly regarding the timing of the collision and the nature of the energies involved. Participants are also navigating the implications of the inelastic nature of the collision on energy calculations.

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Homework Statement


A block with a mass M is located on a frictionless, horizontal surface and is attached to a horizontal spring with spring stiffness k. The block is being pulled out to the right a distance [itex]x=x_0[/itex] of equilibrium and released at [itex]t = 0[/itex].

At time [itex]t_1[/itex], corresponding to [itex]\omega t_1=\varphi_1[/itex], a lump of clay with mass m is dropped onto the block (sticking to it).

a) Use conservation of momentum, in the horizontal direction, to show that the new amplitude is:
[itex]x_0\prime = x_0 \sqrt{\frac{M+m\cdot cos^2(\varphi_1)}{M+m}}[/itex]

b) Express the new angular frequency, [itex]\omega\prime[/itex] in terms of [itex]\omega[/itex]

Homework Equations


[itex]x(t)=x_0 \cdot cos(\omega\cdot t)[/itex]

[itex]E=\frac{1}{2}kx_0^2[/itex]

[itex]\omega=\sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution


a) Conservation of momentum:

[itex]M\dot{x}=(M+m)\dot{x\prime}[/itex]

[itex]M(-\omega\cdot sin(\omega\cdot t)\cdot x_0) =(M+m)\dot{x\prime}[/itex], I'm not sure whether it should be [itex]sin(\omega\cdot t_1)[/itex] or [itex]sin(\omega\cdot t)[/itex]

[itex]-M\sqrt{\frac{k}{M}}\cdot sin(\omega\cdot t)\cdot x_0=(M+m)\dot{x\prime}[/itex]

[itex]-\sqrt{M\cdot k}\cdot sin(\omega\cdot t)\cdot x_0=(M+m)\dot{x\prime}[/itex], now I don't know what more to do. If I express [itex]\dot{x\prime}[/itex] using [itex]sin(\omega \cdot t)[/itex], ω and t will be different so i can't remove them later (unless i know the relationship between the angular frequencies, which is just what part b) is)
 
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To find the new amplitude, you need to know the total energy of the system after the collision. What's the kinetic energy immediately after the collision? What's the potential energy?
 
vela said:
To find the new amplitude, you need to know the total energy of the system after the collision. What's the kinetic energy immediately after the collision? What's the potential energy?

Thanks for the help, here's what I got:
[itex]M\dot{x}=(M+m)\dot{x}\prime[/itex]

[itex]kx_0^2=kx^2\prime+(M+m)\dot{x}^2\prime[/itex]

[itex]kx_0^2=kx^2\prime+\frac{(M+m)M^2\dot{x}^2}{(M+m)^2}[/itex]

[itex]kx_0^2=kx^2\prime+\frac{(M+m)M^2\omega^2 x_0^2 sin^2(\omega t_1)}{(M+m)^2}[/itex]

[itex]kx_0^2=kx^2\prime+\frac{M^2(\frac{k}{M}) x_0^2 sin^2(\omega t_1)}{(M+m)}[/itex]

[itex]x_0^2=x^2\prime+\frac{M x_0^2 sin^2(\omega t_1)}{(M+m)}[/itex]

[itex]x_0^2(1-\frac{M sin^2(\omega t_1)}{(M+m)})=x^2\prime[/itex]


[itex]x_0^2(1-\frac{M (1-cos^2(\omega t_1))}{(M+m)})=x^2\prime[/itex]

[itex]x_0^2(\frac{m+M}{m+M}-\frac{M (1-cos^2(\omega t_1))}{(M+m)})=x^2\prime[/itex]

[itex]x_0^2(\frac{m+Mcos^2(\omega t_1)}{m+M})=x^2\prime[/itex], not quite right [itex]m+Mcos^2(\omega t_1)[/itex] instead of [itex]M+mcos^2(\omega t_1)[/itex], and [itex]x^2\prime \neq x_0^2\prime[/itex]
 
6c 6f 76 65 said:
Thanks for the help, here's what I got:
[itex]M\dot{x}=(M+m)\dot{x}\prime[/itex]
Just to be clear, I assume you mean ##M\dot{x}(t_1) = (M+m)\dot{x}'(t_1)##.

[itex]kx_0^2=kx^2\prime+(M+m)\dot{x}^2\prime[/itex]
This isn't correct. You'd be saying that the original energy of the system, ##\frac{1}{2}kx_0^2##, is the same as the energy after the lump is added. That's not the case because at ##t=t_1##, the potential energy doesn't change, but the kinetic energy does.
 
vela said:
That's not the case because at ##t=t_1##, the potential energy doesn't change, but the kinetic energy does.

Ok, so [itex]\frac{1}{2}M\dot{x(t_1)}=\frac{1}{2}(M+m)\dot{x\prime(t_1)}[/itex]? But if i substitute for either [itex]\dot{x\prime(t_1)}[/itex] or [itex]\dot{x(t_1)}[/itex] I end up with an equation of only one variable.
 
No, this is an inelastic collision. Kinetic energy isn't conserved.

EDIT: Sorry, misread what you wrote. That's simply conservation of momentum again with a factor of 1/2 thrown in.

What's the potential energy right after the collision? What's the kinetic energy right after the collision?
 
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vela said:
What's the potential energy right after the collision? What's the kinetic energy right after the collision?

[itex]PE=\frac{1}{2}k x\prime(t_1)^2[/itex]

[itex]KE=\frac{1}{2}(M+m)\dot{x}\prime(t_1)^2[/itex]
 
Right, so ##E' = \frac{1}{2}kx_0'^2 = \frac{1}{2}kx'(t_1)^2 + \frac12(M+m)\dot{x}'(t_1)^2##. Now you just need to express ##x_0'## in terms of the unprimed variables.
 
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vela said:
Right, so ##E' = \frac{1}{2}kx_0'^2 = \frac{1}{2}kx'(t_1)^2 + \frac12(M+m)\dot{x}'(t_1)^2##. Now you just need to express ##x_0'## in terms of the unprimed variables.

Thanks!

[itex]k x_0'^2=\frac{M^2 \omega^2 x_0^2 sin^2(\omega t_1)}{M+m}+k x'^2(t_1)[/itex]

[itex]k x_0'^2=\frac{M k x_0^2 sin^2(\omega t_1)}{M+m}+k x'^2(t_1)[/itex], used [itex]\omega^2=\frac{k}{M}[/itex]. ##k## is constant before and after the "collision".

[itex]x_0'^2=\frac{M x_0^2 (1-cos^2(\omega t_1))}{M+m}+x'^2(t_1)[/itex], any hints one the last prime term?
 
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6c 6f 76 65 said:
[itex]x_0'^2=\frac{M x_0^2 (1-cos^2(\omega t_1))}{M+m}+x'^2(t_1)[/itex], any hints one the last prime term?
Isn't x'(t1) the same as x(t1)?
 
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haruspex said:
Isn't x'(t1) the same as x(t1)?

EDIT: Sorry, you're right! Thank you!
 
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