Harmonic Oscillator Negative Energy(Quantum)

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The discussion revolves around determining whether the state u(x) = Bxe^[(x^2)/2] is an energy eigenstate of a harmonic oscillator described by the potential V(x) = 1/2*K*X^2. Participants are examining the implications of negative energy solutions in quantum mechanics and the normalization of the wave function.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss checking the time-independent Schrödinger equation to verify if the state is an energy eigenstate. There are attempts to solve for energy and questions about the implications of obtaining a negative energy value. Some participants express confusion about the normalization of the wave function and its implications for probability density.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on calculations and clarifying misunderstandings. There is a focus on the conditions under which the state could be considered an energy eigenstate, and some guidance is offered regarding the mathematical steps involved in solving for energy.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the quantum harmonic oscillator typically requires non-negative energy eigenvalues, which raises questions about the validity of the proposed state. There is also mention of the requirement for n to be a non-negative integer, which is relevant to the discussion of energy eigenstates.

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Homework Statement


Ok so the question is, is the state u(x) = Bxe^[(x^2)/2] an energy eigenstate of the system with V(x) = 1/2*K*X^2 and what is the probability per unit length of this state.

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The Attempt at a Solution

So the way i did this was, to find if the state is an energy eigenstate of the system i checked to see if it satisfied the time independent Schrödinger equation. After all of the Calculations , came up with, 3- 2E/hw = 0, and the definition of E is E = (n+1/2)hw, so the only way for this solution to be satisfied is if the energy is negative, -2 to be exact. So with this I am pretty sure that this cannot be an energy eigenstate of the system since the harmonic oscillator has to have a positive energy(unless there is a specific exception i do not know about) and therefore we cannot find the probability density because the wave-function is not normalizable(blows up at inifinity) and that's what is bugging me, is it as simple as that or am i missing something, like for instance is there a way to normalize this wave-function so as to find the probability density?
 
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The Attempt at a Solution

So the way i did this was, to find if the state is an energy eigenstate of the system i checked to see if it satisfied the time independent Schrödinger equation. After all of the Calculations , came up with, 3- 2E/hw = 0, and the definition of E is E = (n+1/2)hw, so the only way for this solution to be satisfied is if the energy is negative, -2 to be exact.
No it isn't. Try that again.
 
Relativeee said:
After all of the Calculations , came up with, 3- 2E/hw = 0, and the definition of E is E = (n+1/2)hw, so the only way for this solution to be satisfied is if the energy is negative, -2 to be exact.
That's not very exact. If 3 - 2 E/hbar*ω = 0 and you solve for E, what do you get? Hint: Move -2 E/hbar*ω over to the right side and change its sign.
 
Oh my goodness i apologize, i meant to put 3 + 2E/hw
 
So, given your definition of E, n must equal to -2. However, n has to be 0 or positive integer.
Does that mean this is the energy eigenstate of the system?
 
Relativeee said:
Oh my goodness i apologize, i meant to put 3 + 2E/hw
OK, in that case, we can perhaps help you if you show the work that led you to that expression.
 

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