Having trouble applying Hall's Theorem

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The discussion revolves around applying Hall's Theorem to a problem involving k-subsets of a finite set X, where each element of X appears in exactly k of these subsets. The goal is to prove that the size of set X is equal to the number of subsets, n.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the implications of proving |X| = n and express confusion regarding the reasoning behind this conclusion. There are attempts to clarify the meaning of "k-subsets" and the counting of elements in relation to the subsets.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking to understand the implications of the problem and the application of Hall's Theorem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the problem, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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Participants mention a lack of familiarity with the material, with one noting a significant gap in their mathematical education. This context may influence their understanding and approach to the problem.

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1. Let k>0 and let A1,A2,...,An be a collection of k-subsets of finite set X such that every element of X appears in exactly k sets in the collection. Prove that |X| = n



2. Teacher provided us with the following hints:
-- Use a variation of Hall's Theorem.




3. I have no clue how to approach this problem. I don't even understand how proving |X|=n implies anything?
 
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?? |X|= n is the conclusion you want to prove! Why should it imply anything?

"k- subsets" here means subsets of X containing exactly k members? The "overlapping" is the problem here so imaging "painting" the members of each Ai a different color! In other words, imagine that these are all distinct items. Since there are n sets, each containing k items, how many items are there altogether.

But we are told that each item in X appears in exactly k sets. In other words each item in X is counted k times in the formula above.
 
HallsofIvy said:
?? |X|= n is the conclusion you want to prove! Why should it imply anything?

By that, I meant that I don't know understand what solving for |X| = n proves and therefore I can't figure out the reasoning and logic to bring me to that solution.

But thanks for the tips! I'll see if I can use it to help me figure it all out.
 
junho said:
By that, I meant that I don't know understand what solving for |X| = n proves and therefore I can't figure out the reasoning and logic to bring me to that solution.

But thanks for the tips! I'll see if I can use it to help me figure it all out.
? It proves just what it says: that X contains n elements!

I can't think what else you could mean.
 
HallsofIvy said:
? It proves just what it says: that X contains n elements!

I can't think what else you could mean.


Hahaha, well I guess that's the meaning that I missed. Sorry for my horrible math skills. The last time I took any university level math was 5 years ago. I'm just going back to school now for some upper level math courses to complete a minor in Math.

I've basically forgotten everything.
 

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