Having trouble with this canoe/relative velocity problem.

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two students canoeing upstream and accidentally dropping a bottle. After paddling for 1.5 hours and covering 1.1 km upstream, they turn around and retrieve the bottle 4.1 km downstream. Participants suggest drawing a diagram and formulating equations to solve for the speeds of the river and the canoe. The original poster struggles with having three unknowns and only two equations, seeking guidance on how to proceed. The thread highlights the challenges of applying relative velocity concepts in this scenario.
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Homework Statement



Two students are canoeing on a river. While heading upstream, they accidentally drop an empty bottle overboard. They then continue paddling for 1.5 h, reaching a point 1.1 Km farther upstream. At this point they realize that the bottle is missing and, driven by ecological awareness, they turn around and head downstream. They catch up with and retrieve the bottle (which has been moving along with the current) 4.1 Km downstream from the turn-around point.


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I got the speed in the first phase of the problem, (1.1km/1.5h) but don't know where to go from here.

Thanks!
 
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btbam91 said:

Homework Statement



Two students are canoeing on a river. While heading upstream, they accidentally drop an empty bottle overboard. They then continue paddling for 1.5 h, reaching a point 1.1 Km farther upstream. At this point they realize that the bottle is missing and, driven by ecological awareness, they turn around and head downstream. They catch up with and retrieve the bottle (which has been moving along with the current) 4.1 Km downstream from the turn-around point.


The Attempt at a Solution



I got the speed in the first phase of the problem, (1.1km/1.5h) but don't know where to go from here.

Thanks!

I think it helps to draw a picture. I did and came up with three equations in three unknowns:

(1.5 + t)*S_r = 3km
t*(S_r + S_b) = 4.1km
(S_b - S_r)*1.5 = 1.1km

(1.5hr + t) is the total time of the trip, S_r is the speed of the river, and S_b is the speed of the boat in still water.
 
Ugh. I kept coming up with 2 equations with 3 unknowns... thank you so much.

I went to thread tools, but there isn't an option to mark the question solved...
 
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