Hawking radiation and information

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Hawking radiation originates from the surrounding environment, not from within the black hole itself, and is a thermal mixture of various particle types, unrelated to what has fallen into the black hole. The idea that a proton entering a black hole necessitates the emission of an anti-proton through Hawking radiation is inaccurate; the emitted particles do not correspond to those that entered. Measurements of Hawking radiation particles can determine their energy, mass, and momentum, but these measurements reveal nothing about the particles that fell into the black hole. The concept of virtual particles involves pairs with zero net energy, where one particle escapes as real and positive energy while the other contributes negative energy to the black hole. Overall, the discussion highlights the complexities of information conservation in black hole physics.
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say you measured every particle which has entered a black hole
say you measured every hawking radiation particle which exits the black hole

my understanding is that if like... a proton enters the black hole, then an anti-proton needs to be emitted via hawking radiation. so if you measure every particle the black hole ever emits, you should be able to reconcile both the number of particles which have entered the black hole, and the type of particle which enters the black hole (ie proton, neutron, electron)

has the information been conserved after the black hole evaporates, or is some information still missing? is my understanding even accurate? thanks
 
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acesuv said:
say you measured every hawking radiation particle which exits the black hole
Hawking radiation does not come from inside the black hole. It comes from the nearby surroundings.

acesuv said:
my understanding is that if like... a proton enters the black hole, then an anti-proton needs to be emitted via hawking radiation.
Hawking radiation is a thermal mixture of all types of particles. What is emitted bears no relation to what type of matter has fallen into the hole.
 
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Bill_K said:
Hawking radiation does not come from inside the black hole. It comes from the nearby surroundings.


Hawking radiation is a thermal mixture of all types of particles. What is emitted bears no relation to what type of matter has fallen into the hole.

if you measured a given hawking radiation particle, what would it look like?
 
acesuv said:
if you measured a given hawking radiation particle, what would it look like?

It's a particle, so it has various properties that can be measured: energy, mass, momentum, ...

You'd measure any of these for a particle emitted by the Hawking process the same way you'd measure that property for a particle emitted by any other process. And as Bill_K says above, that measurement tells us nothing about what went into the black hole; Hawking radiation doesn't come from inside the hole.
 
Nugatory said:
It's a particle, so it has various properties that can be measured: energy, mass, momentum, ...

You'd measure any of these for a particle emitted by the Hawking process the same way you'd measure that property for a particle emitted by any other process. And as Bill_K says above, that measurement tells us nothing about what went into the black hole; Hawking radiation doesn't come from inside the hole.
well, i understand (i think) that each pair of virtual particles is 0 energy combined. the particle which escapes the black hole becomes real (and therefore has positive energy?) while the other one falls into the black hole and contributes negative energy any particle transfers negative energy

is this at all correct?
 
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