Help: Planck Scale and Fine Structure Constant

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the fine structure constant (FSC) and the Planck scale, exploring their definitions, interconnections, and implications for quantum mechanics (QM). Participants seek to clarify how these concepts relate to each other and their significance in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for an explanation of the relationship between the FSC and the Planck scale, expressing a basic understanding of both concepts.
  • Another participant notes that the fine structure constant is unitless and independent of any scale or system of units, suggesting a fundamental property.
  • A participant seeks to understand the difference between the FSC and the Planck scale, as well as their potential relationship.
  • One participant presents the formula for the fine structure constant, indicating its role as a universal constant that appears in important physics formulas.
  • A later reply questions the inverse proportionality of the reduced Planck constant to the fine structure constant, proposing a more complex relationship involving other constants and factors.
  • Another participant elaborates on the dependence of the reduced Planck constant on the fine structure constant, presenting a formula that includes the electron mass and the Rydberg constant, and emphasizes the unitless nature of certain ratios.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and interpretations of the relationships between the fine structure constant and the Planck scale. Multiple competing views remain regarding their connections and implications, and the discussion does not reach a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' claims depend on specific definitions and interpretations of the constants involved, and the discussion includes unresolved mathematical relationships and assumptions regarding scale dependence.

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Could someone explain the relationship between the FSC and the Planck Scale? What are they in relation to each other. I know what the Planck Scale is, and I even have a loose understanding of the FSC, but what of them in contrast and comparison? And how does the FSC affect QM, if at all?

Thanks!

-Truth

PS - my apologies, it should read "Planck Constant"!
 
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I am not sure I understand your question. One of the beauties of the fine structure constant is that it is unitless, i.e., independent of any scale or system of units.
Bob S
 
Both describe the very very tiny. I would like to know the difference between them. And how they are related, if at all?
 
[tex]\alpha = \frac{e^2}{\hbar c\,4\pi\epsilon_0}[/tex]
That's the relationship... both of them are numbers that keep popping up in important physics formulas. They're universal constants. I'm not really sure what else you're after.
 
diazona said:
[tex]\alpha = \frac{e^2}{\hbar c\,4\pi\epsilon_0}[/tex]
That's the relationship... both of them are numbers that keep popping up in important physics formulas. They're universal constants. I'm not really sure what else you're after.

Why is the reduced Planck constant inversely proportional to the fine structure constant?
 
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1Truthseeker said:
Why is the reduced Planck constant inversely proportional to the fine structure constant?
The reduced Planck constant is given by

h-bar = e2/(4πε0cα).

So the reduced Planck constant is scale dependent on a lot of factors, excluding only 4, π, and α, which are scale independent (unitless).

A better question is why does the reduced Planck constant depend quadratically on the fine strucure constant in

h-bar = mec2α2/(2cR)

where mec2 is the electron mass and R is the Rydberg constant.

Most fundamental is the ratio of the Rydberg energy RE = 13.606 eV to the electron mass:

RE//mec2 = α2/2 which is unitless and therefore scale independent.

Bob S
 

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