Help simplifying/checking integral

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function involving trigonometric and inverse trigonometric functions, specifically the integral of sin(2x)tan^{-1}(sin(x))dx. Participants are exploring various methods of integration, including substitution and integration by parts, while checking the correctness of their work.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to simplify the integral using substitution and integration by parts, leading to expressions involving tan^{-1}(u). Some participants question the correctness of the integration steps and suggest checking for errors in the calculations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing feedback on each other's approaches. Some have identified errors in the integration process, while others have offered alternative methods to simplify the integrand without long division. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the steps taken and ensure accuracy in the integration process.

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There is a mention of the original poster not having an answer key and working off an external source for verification. Additionally, polynomial long division is noted as a challenging area for some participants, influencing their approach to the problem.

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OK, so I'm just trying to refresh my calc knowledge before I go off to school. The problem I'm trying to do is:

\int sin(2x)tan^{-1}(sin(x))dx

So what I've done is, first, replace sin(2x), giving:

\int 2cos(x)sin(x)tan^{-1}(sin(x))dx

or

2\int cos(x)sin(x)tan^{-1}(sin(x))dx

Then, I assume that sin(x) = u (and therefore, du = cos(x)dx). This gives me:

2\int utan^{-1}(u)du

Then, I integrate by parts.

2\int utan^{-1}(u)du = 2(\frac{1}{2}u^{2}tan^{-1}(u)-\int \frac{u^{2}}{2+2u^{2}})

or

2(\frac{1}{2}u^{2}tan^{-1}(u)-(\frac{u^{3}}{6}+\frac{u}{2}))

Substituting back in for u gives me:

2(\frac{1}{2}sin^{2}(x)tan^{-1}(sin(x))-(\frac{sin^{3}(x)}{6}+\frac{sin(x)}{2}))

Or, to simplify a little:

-\frac{sin^{3}(x)}{3}+tan^{-1}(sin(x))sin^{2}(x)-sin(x)

My question is where do I go from here to simplify, and also if the work I've done up to this point is correct/on the right track (it's been a while since I took calc so go easy hahah). Just so you all know, I don't have an answer key for this problem so I'm working off of Wolfram Alpha's answer which is:

\frac{1}{2}((cos(2x)-3)(-tan^{-1}(sin(x)))-2sin(x)) + C

Thanks in advance!
 
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c.dube said:
Then, I integrate by parts.

2\int utan^{-1}(u)du = 2(\frac{1}{2}u^{2}tan^{-1}(u)-\int \frac{u^{2}}{2+2u^{2}})

or

2(\frac{1}{2}u^{2}tan^{-1}(u)-(\frac{u^{3}}{6}+\frac{u}{2}))

There's an error from the integral on the right side of the top equation going to the line below it. Factor out a 2 from the denominator then try long division to make the integrand into something easier to integrate.
 
Ahh I knew it was something really dumb like that! Thanks, but new question now. For the long division, what answer should I be getting? Because trying to work it through I'm not getting the right answer. I get an answer of 1-\frac{1}{u} and the remainder but I can't get the remainder (unless its \frac{1}{u^{3}+u}). The math doesn't seem to work when I check this can you help me out? Polynomial long division was always a weakness.
 
Whoops never mind I got it (1-\frac{1}{u^{2}+1}) dumb mistake.
 
You can read about polynomial long division here
http://www.sosmath.com/algebra/factor/fac01/fac01.html"
But if I can avoid it, I try not to use it...
For problems like this, there's a trick so you don't have to use long division:\frac{u^2}{u^2 + 1} = \frac{u^2 + 1 - 1}{u^2 + 1} = \frac{u^2 + 1}{u^2 + 1} - \frac{1}{u^2 + 1} = 1 - \frac{1}{u^2 + 1}
 
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OK so now I have:

2(\frac{1}{2}u^{2}tan^{-1}(u)-\frac{1}{2}(u-tan^{-1}(u))

Or:

(u^{2}+1)tan^{-1}(u)-u

From here, I substitute sin(x) back in:

(sin^{2}(x)+1)tan^{-1}(sin(x))-sin(x)

Can I simplify more or am I still making a mistake? Thanks for all the help.
 
It's correct and probably as simplified as you can make it; just remember the + c :wink:
 
Hahah yes that darn + C :smile: Thanks for all your help!
 

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