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The experiment investigates the effects of different intermolecular bonds—hydrogen bonding, dipole forces, and Van der Waals forces—on vortex depth and duration in liquids. Results indicate that hydrogen-bonded water has a vortex depth of 2.2 cm and lasts 12 seconds, while Van der Waals and dipole liquids show lesser depths and durations. The discussion raises questions about the relationship between bond strength and vortex behavior, particularly why hydrogen bonding does not lead to the expected largest vortex. It is suggested that strong intermolecular forces may cause molecules to pull against each other, affecting vortex dynamics. Overall, the experiment highlights the complexities of intermolecular interactions and their impact on fluid behavior.
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Hello, I have done an experiment and I am having trouble explaining why certain things happen.

The topic is intermolecular bonding. I used three liquids, each is composed of different types of bonds.

liquid 1) Hydrogen bond
liquid 2) bonding due to dipole forces
liguid 3) bonding due to Van der Waals forces

Basically I take a liquid, put it in a cup and stir it really fast. I record the depth of the maximum vortex and the amount of time that it lasts.

Then do the same with the other two liquid. (same amount, same container).


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Now, I have 3 different values for the amount of time the vortex lasts, and I'm trying to understand why (in terms of intermolecular bonding). The answer that comes to mind is viscosity, but it is nowhere in the course.. so I don't think that's what I'm supposed to be looking for.

My second question is why is water (hydrogen bonding) so much different than the other two in terms of the depth of the vortex?

I know that hydrogen bonding is the strongest, but I'm not sure how that piece of information applies to the vortex.. as no bonds are being broken.



thanks for any help
 
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Am I to assume that the liquid that hydrogen bonds has a deepest vortex?

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
EDIT: Ok something is wrong here.. so I'm doing the experiment again.

I'll post the results as soon as I'm done
 
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Jchem said:
thanks for the quick response :smile:


......Depth of vortex.....Time votex lasted

Vander waal ... 2.5 cm.......9s.....
dipole......(.5 cm)......1s...
Hydrogen Bond:...2.2......12s...


and I'm not sure about my results (although I've done them several times) because question 2 asks why the water (hydrogen bond) is so different in terms of depth of vortex and time... but it isn so different.. its just slightly different.
Are you sure about these results? I only ask because I would expect the hydrogen bonding to cause the biggest vortex and but also to be the first to stop, which goes against what you have said.

The explanation is that the strong forces would cause the molecules to get pulled to one side more (so big vortex) but also because of the forces it would slow down fastest because the pull would do that. However it could be that the attractive forces cause the molecule to pull against each other and this would suggest a smaller vortex and a longer time to settle because the molecules are being pulled by each other more than in van der Waal's.

The Bob (2004 ©)

P.S.
Jchem said:
dipole...(.5 cm)

Is that 0.5cm or what?
 
yes that is 0.5 cm
 
Jchem said:
yes that is 0.5 cm
It is intersting. I would say that the dipole is the intermediate force and so is not at one end of the spectrum. This means will give the result it does. The other two are at opposite ends and so act in similar ways (e.g. hydrogen bonds are strong so attract more than van der Waal's but moving act in similar ways).

The idea is in my head but I do not have the time (my dad's faylt) to write it down. Also some other people might give me some inspiration.

The Bob (2004 ©)

P.S. Time for bed :smile:
 
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