HELP: Variable Torque and therefore acceleration in an electric motor.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of the time required for an electric motor to achieve a quarter rotation in a magnetic field, specifically exploring the use of AC power supplies instead of traditional DC commutators. Participants address issues related to variable torque and acceleration, as well as the complexities of motor design and operation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in calculating the time for a motor to turn a quarter rotation, noting that acceleration is dependent on torque, which in turn is influenced by angular displacement, leading to complex mathematical expressions.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of modern DC motors that utilize permanent magnet multipole field rotors and Hall Effect sensors for commutation, suggesting this could be a relevant approach for the original problem.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the use of transistor switches in H-bridge configurations for commutation, highlighting the role of IGBTs for handling large currents in these systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to the problem, with multiple perspectives on motor design and operation being presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific calculations and methodologies to be used.

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Participants express uncertainty about the complexity of the concepts discussed, and there are references to external resources for further exploration, indicating potential gaps in understanding and knowledge among contributors.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring electric motor design, particularly in the context of variable torque and acceleration, as well as individuals seeking to understand modern commutation techniques in electric motors.

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I have recently been searching for a way to calculate the time take for a motor to turn to 1/4 rotation in an magnetic field. Instead of using a commutator with a DC power supply I was hoping to be able to use an AC supply with the correct time period to reverse the current and continue the acceleration.

I came across a few problems.

Variable acceleration: Although the acceleration is dependent on the torque I have found that the torque was also dependent on the angular displacement of the motor spindle which lead me into a mathematical loop.
such as:

a= (1/m)Fcos(s + ut + 1/2at "squared") although it may not be clear by this I ended up with page lengths of continuous cos(...)s and Fs

Any help would be great. x
 
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Sib08 said:
I have recently been searching for a way to calculate the time take for a motor to turn to 1/4 rotation in an magnetic field. Instead of using a commutator with a DC power supply I was hoping to be able to use an AC supply with the correct time period to reverse the current and continue the acceleration..
Some modern dc motors without commutators (or slip rings) use permanent magnet multipole field rotors, and a Hall Effect probe to sense rotor angle. The Hall Effect sensor is then used to commutate the current in the stator windings using solid state H-bridge switches. The electric vehicle motors, which run on dc, are similar.
Bob S
 
Although i do not fully understand. I will look into that, sounds very complex but useful. Wikipedia here i come.

Thanks
 
Sib08 said:
Although i do not fully understand. I will look into that, sounds very complex but useful. Wikipedia here i come.
This might help:
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache...nent+magnet+dc+motor&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

(sorry about the highlights in above url). Usually transistor switches are used to commutate the polarity of currents in the stator. The switches are in the form of "H bridges" because the dc source, ground, the four transistors, and the winding form an "H".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-bridge
For large currents, devices called IGBTs (isolated gate bipolar transistors) are used. usually, IGBTs are supplied as half-bridges, so two modules form a complete H-bridge. This units switch 100's of amps at voltages up to about 1000 volts.
Bob S
 
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