Help with classical mechanics question

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The discussion revolves around a classical mechanics problem involving a nucleus breaking into two fragments, with a focus on momentum and energy conservation. Participants clarify that momentum is conserved in this closed system, despite the internal energy release, as the forces between fragments are internal. The initial kinetic energy calculation was corrected from 10mu to 20mu, which is crucial for accurate results. The confusion primarily stems from the calculations leading to a negative value for the speed of the lighter fragment, indicating a potential error in the setup. Ultimately, the key takeaway is the importance of correctly applying conservation laws to solve the problem effectively.
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Homework Statement


A nucleus of mass 20mu (where mu is the atomic mass unit 1.66*10^-27) is moving with a velocity of 3*10^6 ms^-1 when it breaks into two fragments. In the course of this process internal energy is released from within the nucleus and the kinetic energy consequently increases by an amount \DeltaE=10^-12J. The heavier fragment has mass 16mu and is emitted at 90o to the original line of flight. What is the speed of the lighter fragment? (since the energy released is small compared with the rest-mass energy of the nucleus you may assume that mass is conserved and that both fragments remain non-relativistic)


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The part confusing me is whether or not you can assume momentum is conserved, ie. does the release of internal energy count as an "external" force or not? If you assume that momentum is conserved my attempt at the solution is:

Initial KE= 0.5*10mu*(3*10^6)^2 = 1.494*10^-13J
so the final KE of the system is this + 10^-12J which equals 1.1494 * 10^-12J

which means that 16mu*v1^2 + 4mu*v2^2 = 1.1494*10^-12J

Initial momentum of system is 3*10^6*20mu = 9.96*10^-20 kgms^-1

if we say that the nucleus is initially moving to the right, and the larger fragment moves upwards after the "break", the velocity of the smaller fragment would have to be south east.

The vertical component of v2 would equal 16mu*v1 / 4mu so that the overall momentum in the vertical plane remains 0, and the horizontal component would equal 9.96*10^-20 / 4mu (which is 1.5*10^7ms^-1) so that the momentum to the right of the system is the same as before. This means that v2 = \sqrt{}(1.5*10^7)^2+(4muv1)^2 however when you substitute that back into the equation for KE and try to solve for v1 you get a math error as v1^2 = a minus number.


If I am wrong with assuming that momentum is conserved then I am unsure as to how to go about solving this problem as surely the change in momentum could be in any direction and so it would not be possible to work out the speed of the smaller fragment.


Any ideas?
 
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Momentum is always conserved in a closed system-that is, if there are no external forces that could effect the situation. Hope that helps!
 
Momentum is indeed conserved. The force that one fragment exerts on the other is equal and opposite to the force that is exerted on it by the other. The two forces are internal to the two fragment system.

Why do you say that the initial kinetic energy is

KE= 0.5*10mu*(3*10^6)^2 ?

The mass of the parent nucleus is 20mu not 10mu. Would that make a difference?
 
ok well now that I know that for sure I think I'll get there eventually. That was actually just a typo from me but I expect I've just made a mistake somewhere in the calculation and will go over it. Thanks!
 
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