Help with Electric Forces Problem and Equilateral Triangles

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem involving electric forces and point charges arranged in an equilateral triangle. The original poster is tasked with finding the distance and direction of the net electrostatic force on one of the charges.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the forces exerted on charge q2 by charges q1 and q3, initially separating the forces into their x and y components. Some participants suggest reviewing the decomposition of the forces and the assumptions about their directions.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's attempts, providing feedback on the methods used and questioning the assumptions regarding the directions of the forces. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in the vector components, and some guidance has been offered regarding the need for clarity in the force directions.

Contextual Notes

There is an indication that the original poster may have misunderstood the relationships between the forces due to their non-perpendicular nature. The discussion also touches on the importance of adhering to the template for homework submissions.

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Homework Statement


The point charges in the figure have the following values: q1=+2.1μC, q2=+6.3μC, q3=−0.89μC. Suppose that the magnitude of the net electrostatic force exerted on the point charge q2 in the figure is 0.57 N .
Find the distance d and the direction (angle) of the net force.
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Homework Equations


(I think) F=k|q||q|/d^2
and pythagorean theorem

The Attempt at a Solution


I really think I overcomplicated myself in the beginning (I separated each F12 and F23 into its x and y components), but my most recent solution goes:
F12 = k|q1||q2|/d^2
F23 = k|q2||q3|/d^2

and then attempting to do (0.57)^2 = (k|q1||q2|/d^2)^2+(k|q2||q3|/d^2)^2
and solving for d. I know the right answer is 0.43 m but I truly don't know how that is (neither of my two methods have worked). I've been doing this for two hours (to my embarrassment) so any input would be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
(Also, is responding to these three questions what using the template means?)
 
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Phy_TR said:

The Attempt at a Solution


I really think I overcomplicated myself in the beginning (I separated each F12 and F23 into its x and y components),
Yes, that's the way to approach it. If you show us some details of what you did, maybe we can spot the error.
but my most recent solution goes:
F12 = k|q1||q2|/d^2
F23 = k|q2||q3|/d^2

and then attempting to do (0.57)^2 = (k|q1||q2|/d^2)^2+(k|q2||q3|/d^2)^2
and solving for d.
This won't work because the forces F21 and F23 are not perpendicular to one another.

(Also, is responding to these three questions what using the template means?)
Using the template just means filling in all three parts of

Homework Statement


Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



You did that very nicely!:smile:
 
TSny said:
You did that very nicely!:smile:

Awesome, thanks!

Ok, so this is what I did when I decomposed the vectors the first time:

F12x= cos60F12
F12y= sin60F12

and

F23x= F23
F23y= 0

giving me:

FNetX = F23X-F12X (because they're going opposite I used the negative sign)
FNetY = F12Y

And then I did the pythagorean theorem for all of that:
(F23X-F12X)2+(F12Y)2=FNet2

[(k|q2||q3|/d^2 - cos60(k|q1||q2|/d^2)]2 + [sin60(k|q1||q2|/d^2)]2 = FNet2

:eek:...and it works now...
I wish I hadn't erased my first attempt (then I would've know what went wrong), but surely it was the part with the FNetX because I don't remember getting a negative answer to that before...wow.

TSny said:
This won't work because the forces F21 and F23 are not perpendicular to one another.

Yes *facepalm*, it seems silly to have given up on my previous plan for that one!

Thank you so much TSny, and sorry about that! :oops:
 
Phy_TR said:
Ok, so this is what I did when I decomposed the vectors the first time:

F12x= cos60F12
F12y= sin60F12
Good. (I'm assuming you're taking the x-axis to be horizontal and the y-axis vertical.)

F23x= F23
F23y= 0

This doesn't look right. F23 does not point along the x axis.

Just to make sure we're together, can you describe in words the directions of F12 and F23 acting on q2?
 

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