Help with finding the power in this circuit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving a circuit analysis to determine the validity of the circuit and the power developed within it. Participants are exploring Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) and Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) in the context of the circuit's configuration.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the application of KCL at the middle node, assuming a current of 1 A for the 10 V source to balance the node.
  • Another participant suggests checking KVL around the outside path of the circuit.
  • Concerns are raised about the absence of resistances in the circuit, questioning the validity of the circuit based on the relationship V=iR.
  • A participant calculates the potential changes around a closed loop, arriving at a total of -2, leading to the conclusion that the circuit is invalid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the validity of the circuit and the calculations involved. There is no consensus on whether the circuit is valid or invalid, and multiple viewpoints regarding the application of KCL and KVL remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the circuit's configuration, the role of resistances, and the implications of their calculations on the circuit's validity.

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Homework Statement


http://www.chegg.com/homework-help/questions-and-answers/interconnection-fig-p25-valid-find-total-power-developed-circuit-interconnection-valid-exp-q22345911
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It asks if the circuit is valid, which I assume it is.
It asks for the power developed[/B]

Homework Equations


I tried to do KCL in the 4 loops, but i am confused with the middle node. I assume that the 10v will have a current of 1, for the middle node to equal 0. I did a KCL in the upper left loop and got -13 and on the upper right loop I got -17. I am not sure what i am doing wrong to get the power developed. the lower loops confuse me. Help!
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Check KVL around the outside path.
 
gneill said:
Check KVL around the outside path.

but there is no resistances, and V=iR? The voltage outside the path do not equate to 0, so is the circuit invalid?
 
edgarpokemon said:
but there is no resistances, and V=iR? The voltage outside the path do not equate to 0, so is the circuit invalid?
Sum the potential changes around the closed loop and draw your own conclusion :wink:

Edit: I should have been more clear. Sum the potential changes around the outer loop.
 
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gneill said:
Sum the potential changes around the closed loop and draw your own conclusion :wink:
aaa so starting from the lower right node, it would be 8+6-4-12=-2, so invalid?
 
edgarpokemon said:
aaa so starting from the lower right node, it would be 8+6-4-12=-2, so invalid?
Right.
 

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