Help with inverse of derivative function

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The problem involves finding the inverse of a derivative function related to the polynomial function f(x) = 3x^3 + 3x^2 + 2x + 1, specifically evaluating it at a point a = 3. The original poster expresses difficulty in solving the equation 3 = 3x^3 + 3x^2 + 2x + 1 and subsequently finding the derivative.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the meaning of the variable 'a' and its role in the context of the problem. There are suggestions to start with the equation 3 = 3x^3 + 3x^2 + 2x + 1 and explore methods such as the rational root theorem, graphing the polynomial, and using online solvers.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations and approaches to solving the polynomial equation. Some guidance has been provided regarding potential methods to find roots, but there is no consensus on a specific solution path yet.

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Participants note the challenge of solving the resulting polynomial equation and the complexity involved in finding its roots. The original poster's homework deadline adds urgency to the discussion.

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f(x) =
sqrt2a.gif
3x^3 + 3x^2+ 2x + 1
,a = 3

formal is
img5.gif


Homework is due tonight and this is the only problem i can't solve

Your suppose to
3=
sqrt2a.gif
3x^3 + 3x^2 + 2x + 1
, solve for xThe find the derivative of y=
sqrt2a.gif
3x^3 + 3x^2 + 2x + 1
, then plug x into that and put it under 1.
 
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Hazy001 said:
f(x) =
sqrt2a.gif
3x^3 + 3x^2+ 2x + 1
,a = 3
What does a represent? I infer from your work below that you are taking it to mean the point (x0, a) on the graph of f.
Hazy001 said:
formal is
img5.gif


Homework is due tonight and this is the only problem i can't solve

Your suppose to
3=
sqrt2a.gif
3x^3 + 3x^2 + 2x + 1
, solve for xThe find the derivative of y=
sqrt2a.gif
3x^3 + 3x^2 + 2x + 1
, then plug x into that and put it under 1.

Assuming that your interpretation is the correct one, start with this equation:
##3 = \sqrt{3x^3 + 3x^2 + 2x + 1}##, and then square both sides. The resulting equation is not the easiest to solve, but it does have one real solution.
 
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Yes that is it but sadly i cannot solve it
 
Hazy001 said:
Yes that is it but sadly i cannot solve it

You want to solve ##p(x) = 0##, where ##p(x) = 3 x^3 + 3 x^2 + 2x - 8##.
(i)One thing to try is the "rational root theorem"; see, eg.,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_root_theorem .
(ii) Alternatively, plot the graph of ##y = p(x)## over some ##x##-range, to see roughly where a root lies; that will suggest a factor of ##p(x)##, which you can then verify exactly. (iii) If you are still desperate you can always submit the problem to an on-line solver, such as Wolfram Alpha.
 

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