Help with oblique motion question (initial height)

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The discussion focuses on calculating the initial height (h) in an oblique motion problem involving a projectile launched at 10 m/s at a 45-degree angle. Key equations include the trajectory equation and the time of flight formula, which were explored through multiple attempts. The attempts yielded results indicating that h = 0, which is deemed incorrect as it contradicts the problem's context. The conversation also highlights confusion around the calculations and the application of projectile motion principles, specifically addressing the neglect of air resistance. The participants seek clarification on the correct approach to solving this ballistics problem.
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Homework Statement


How to calculate initial height (h) in an oblique motion?
Data: initial velocity (v0) = 10 m/s
angle (α) = 45º
g = 10 m/s2
Variables: x - position in the x-axis
y - position in the y axis
r - range
hmax - maximum height
tf - time of flight

Homework Equations


vx = vy = 5√2 m/s
y = h + tan(α) x - (g/v0x2) x2 → trajectory equation
vy2 = v0y2 - 2gΔy

The Attempt at a Solution


1st - 0 = h + v0y tf - ½ g tf2 ⇔ tf = (v0y + √(v0y2 + 2hg))/g
in the problem tf = (5√2 + √(50+20h))/10
and using that:
0 = h + 5√2 × ((5√2 + √(50+20h))/10) - 5×((5√2 + √(50+20h))/10)2 ⇔ 0 = 0 this is redundant becuase I'm using the same formula twice, I understand the result
2nd - using the trajectory equation:
0 = h + x - (10/ (2v0x2) x2 ⇔ x = 5 + 5√(1 - (2/5)h)
in this case x = r so, r = v0x tf ⇒ tf = (1 + √(1 - (2/5)h)/√2
so I picked the expression from the 1st attempt and matched with this new one, like this:
(5√2 + √(50+20h))/10 = (1 + √(1 - (2/5)h)/√2 ⇔ h = 0 even though this atempt gave me a "real" result, h ≠ 0 so it can't be
3rd - in a crazy last atempt I used the expressin for tf from second atempt and substitute it in the equation for y position:
0 = h + 5√2 × ((1 + √(1 - (2/5)h)/√2 ) - 5((1 + √(1 - (2/5)h)/√2)2 ⇔ h = 0 as expected the result was 0
4th - I also tried working with torricelli's equation, but that led me no where, I obtained this, which might be helpful: hmax = h + 5/2
 
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"oblique motion" can refer to a lot of things ... I'm guessing this is a ballistics problem?
i.e. a projectile is fired at speed 10m/s at an angle 45deg to the horizontal - neglect air resistance.
Is that correct?

If so then
vx = vy = 5√2 m/s
... this is incorrect.
 
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