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The discussion revolves around calculating the total force acting on a charge due to other charges in an electrostatic context. Specifically, it involves two +2 nC charges and a +3 nC charge, with participants exploring the forces and electric fields generated by these charges.

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  • Participants discuss the use of formulas for calculating forces between charges and express confusion about vector addition. There are attempts to clarify the concept of vector form and the implications of adding forces that are not parallel.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the correct approach to vector addition and the significance of unit vectors. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations involved, with some participants questioning their results and seeking clarification on concepts.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the amount of direct assistance they can receive. There is also mention of confusion regarding the inclusion of magnetic forces in a problem primarily focused on electrostatics.

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Heya everyone could u help me with these questions please



a charge +2nC is located at (0, 2 m). Another +2 nC charge is
located at (0, -2 m). A third charge, +3 nC, is located at (2 m, 0).
Calculate the total force (in vector form) acting on charge +3nC
from both +2nC charges.

Using the result obtained in part above, calculate the electric field at
the position of the + 3nC charge due to both +2nC charges.

please guys thanks a lot
 
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vip_uae said:
a charge +2nC is located at (0, 2 m). Another +2 nC charge is
located at (0, -2 m). A third charge, +3 nC, is located at (2 m, 0).
Calculate the total force (in vector form) acting on charge +3nC
from both +2nC charges.

Using the result obtained in part above, calculate the electric field at
the position of the + 3nC charge due to both +2nC charges.

Hi vip_uae! :smile:

Show us what you've tried, and where you're stuck, and then we'll know how to help you. :smile:
 
well i used the normal formula of F13 = (Q1 . Q3)/ 4 pi E0 r13 multiply by Rhat 13 ... and i knw wats rhat13 and r13 that's for the first part of the question i add the F13 AND F23 to give me FTOTAL... is that right?
 
vip_uae said:
well i used the normal formula of F13 = (Q1 . Q3)/ 4 pi E0 r13 multiply by Rhat 13 ... and i knw wats rhat13 and r13 that's for the first part of the question i add the F13 AND F23 to give me FTOTAL... is that right?

Well, it looks ok …

but it would be more convincing if you showed us some figures. :wink:

erm … since you've got that far, what did you want help with? :smile:
 
its just i am getting a weired answer for the total force i am getting Zero in the end of it...

when i add F13 AND F23 = 0

and i don't understand what to they mean by VECTOR form
 
vip_uae said:
its just i am getting a weired answer for the total force i am getting Zero in the end of it...

when i add F13 AND F23 = 0

and i don't understand what to they mean by VECTOR form

Vector form means as a multiple of rhat, which you've done.

I don't understand how your F13 and F23 can add to zero, if you're adding them as vectors. :confused:

F13 is a multiple of the unit vector rhat13, while F23 is a multiple of rhat23.

Since rhat13 and rhat23 are not parallel, how can any combination of them add to zero?
 
awwwwww right sorry i actually missed out one part of it but it gave me a really small number for Xhat 9.537x10^-9

i just found somthing that if i want to have to calculate it in a vector form

F13 = Q1 X Q3 / 4 pi E0 (r13)^2 multiply by Rhat13 + (u0 X Q1 X Q3)/ 4 pi (r13)^2 Multiply [V3 [tex]\Delta[/tex](V1 [tex]\Delta[/tex] Rhat13 )]

is that formula looks right it said that if a vector form needed Fe which is Electric Force + Magnetic force = the force
 
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vip_uae said:
(u0 X Q1 X Q3)/ 4 pi (r13)^2 Multiply [V3 [tex]\Delta[/tex](V1 [tex]\Delta[/tex] Rhat13 )]

Is that supposed to be a magnetic force?

Magnetic forces only act on moving charges.

These charges are stationary … so forget magnetic forces!

You're vector-adding a multiple of rhat13 to the same multiple of rhat23.

Use components … what is the resultant? :smile:
 
see i don't understand what you meant by Multiple of Rhat i knw r hat = r13/moduls r13
 
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vip_uae said:
see i don't understand what you meant by Multiple of Rhat i knw r hat = r13/moduls r13

Yes, you're multiplying the vector rhat13 by (Q1 . Q3)/ 4 pi E0 r13,

and adding to it the vector rhat23 multiplied by (Q2 . Q3)/ 4 pi E0 r23 …

aren't you? :confused:
 
  • #11
yes that's wat i am doing exactly
 
  • #12
vip_uae said:
yes that's wat i am doing exactly

ok, so you've got a sloping-down vector plus an equal sloping-up vector …

so their sum (resultant) is … ? :smile:
 
  • #13
ya i have got Fnet = 9.536 x 10^ -9 Xhat ... does this answer looks right?
 
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vip_uae said:
ya i have got Fnet = 9.536 x 10^ -9 Xhat ... does this answer looks right?

I haven't done the figures, but yes it certainly is a multiple of Xhat. :smile:
 
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Thats gr8 thanks a lot i have an another question please

when an electron beam shoots through a horizantal line in the Z direction carying 50 A .. how would the beam will deflect ... like the direction of the deflection how would it be :)
 
  • #16
ok, but same thing … show us how far you've got!

what sort of field is produced? which direction is it in? what is the equation that relates field strength and force? :smile:
 
  • #17
Hey tiny tim lol i found the answer some where basically it will deflect upwards due to the way that the current is rotating ... soo o i got it straight away
 
  • #18
vip_uae said:
Hey tiny tim lol i found the answer some where basically it will deflect upwards due to the way that the current is rotating ... soo o i got it straight away

he-he … now you see one of the reasons why we like to see some work first! :biggrin:
 
  • #19
hahahahahaha ohhhhhhhh i have a problem tooo :P see i have one of the questions asking me about 2 wires carying 10K A in different directions i need to see the force of one wire exerting on the other using the Motor Equation which i knw

F = L ( I upside down triangle B)

I is current L is length and B is magnetic Flux density

B = u H

H = I / 2 pi R *I guess*

should i replace each unit and see wat i can get?
 
  • #20
oooh … I always get confused by questions about induction. :confused:

Can you start a new thread on this one, so that some other people will answer? :smile:
 
  • #21
Awwwww lol its cool i submited ma assignment lol it was a big massive hastle hehehee
 

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