Hookes law for stress and strain

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The discussion revolves around the application of Hooke's law in continuous elastic media, specifically focusing on the relationship between stress and strain tensors. Participants explore the mathematical foundations and implications of the tensors involved, questioning the limitations and forms of the linear relation dictated by the absence of internal directions in isotropic materials.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on why only the strain tensor and its trace can be used to construct a linear relation between stress and strain tensors, suggesting it may relate to the invariance under directional changes.
  • Another participant asserts that the restriction to these tensors is a mathematical necessity, challenging others to find alternative tensorial forms that are linear in the strain tensor.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the correctness of a proposed general relation between stress and strain, questioning the validity of including terms proportional to other entries in the strain tensor matrix.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the general linear relationship, referencing the Cayley Hamilton theorem and the conditions under which the relationship remains linear in the strain tensor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mathematical formulation of the relationship between stress and strain, with some asserting the necessity of specific tensor forms while others question the completeness of these forms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of including additional terms in the relationship.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion hinges on mathematical properties and invariants of the strain tensor, with some assumptions about linearity and the nature of the tensors involved remaining unexamined.

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I need help understanding a passage in my textbook, where the form of hookes law in continuous elastic media is explained. It says:
"The absence of internal directions in isotopic matter tells us that there are only two tensors available to construct a linear relation between the the stress tensor and the strain tensor. One is the strain tensor itself and the other is the kronecker delta multiplied by the trace of the strain tensor. Consequently the most general strictly linear tensor relation between stress and strain is of the form:
Here follows a linear relation between the stress- and strain tensor involving the strain tensor and its trace in separate terms.
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I don't really understand all this. Why is only the strain tensor and its trace avaible for constructing a linear relation between the two tensors? Does it have to do with the fact that we would like Hookes law to be invariant under change of directions, since the symmetry dictates that there are no internal directions?
 
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aaaa202 said:
I need help understanding a passage in my textbook, where the form of hookes law in continuous elastic media is explained. It says:
"The absence of internal directions in isotopic matter tells us that there are only two tensors available to construct a linear relation between the the stress tensor and the strain tensor. One is the strain tensor itself and the other is the kronecker delta multiplied by the trace of the strain tensor. Consequently the most general strictly linear tensor relation between stress and strain is of the form:
Here follows a linear relation between the stress- and strain tensor involving the strain tensor and its trace in separate terms.
"
I don't really understand all this. Why is only the strain tensor and its trace avaible for constructing a linear relation between the two tensors? Does it have to do with the fact that we would like Hookes law to be invariant under change of directions, since the symmetry dictates that there are no internal directions?
No. It has nothing to do with this. It's mathematical. Try to construct another tensorial form that is linear in the strain tensor.

Chet
 
I don't understand. So according to what you say we have that the most general relation is:

σij = λuij + λδijkukk

But what goes wrong if you try to put in terms proportional to other entries in the matrix u? Actually I'm not even sure if the above expression is correct.
 
aaaa202 said:
I don't understand. So according to what you say we have that the most general relation is:

σij = λuij + λδijkukk

But what goes wrong if you try to put in terms proportional to other entries in the matrix u? Actually I'm not even sure if the above expression is correct.
The above equation is the most general linear relationship (I'm assuming you are calling u the strain tensor, which I call E). If F(E) is a tensorial function of the strain tensor E, then we can use the Cayley Hamilton theorem to represent F by ##F = α I + βE+γE^2##, where α, β, and γ are functions of the invariants of E. This is linear in E only if α is a function of the trace of E (which is the only invariant that is linear in the components of E), β is a constant, and γ =0.

Chet
 

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