How can a circuit be unbalanced?

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The discussion centers around the concept of unbalanced circuits in radio frequency (RF) applications, particularly in relation to antenna systems and the behavior of currents in series circuits. Participants explore the conditions under which current imbalances occur, the implications for circuit design, and the role of components like baluns.

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  • One participant questions how a series circuit can exhibit different current flows on each side of a load, suggesting that this may occur due to an alternate path to ground.
  • Another participant asserts that a series circuit cannot have different currents and challenges the understanding of "unbalanced" loads.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether current imbalance is always caused by an alternate path to ground or if other factors may contribute to it.
  • Discussion includes the role of baluns in converting unbalanced currents in coaxial cables to balanced currents in antennas, highlighting the importance of maintaining desired radiation patterns and impedance.
  • One participant describes the behavior of dipole antennas, noting that they ideally have equal currents in each leg, and discusses the implications of unbalanced currents flowing down the coax feeder.
  • Another participant mentions unbalanced radiators, such as whip antennas, and describes how ground currents can create an image of the antenna that affects performance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of current flow in series circuits and the definition of unbalanced circuits. There is no consensus on the causes of current imbalance or the implications for circuit design.

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Some participants reference specific technical concepts and components (e.g., baluns, dipole antennas) without fully resolving the underlying assumptions or definitions related to unbalanced circuits.

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I've been trying to understand rf unbalanced circuits.

What I don't understand is how you can have a series circuit in which there is a different current flow on each side of the load?

I read that it occurs when there is another path to ground?

Does it have to be a ground? Can you have imbalance with there is a path to a metal object or a floating ground?

How much difference between currents can there be?
 
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You can't have a series circuit with a current that isn't the same everywhere. You're probably mis-remembering where you heard the concept of an "unbalanced" load.
 
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I've been trying to understand rf unbalanced circuits.

What I don't understand is how you can have a series circuit in which there is a different current flow on each side of the load?

I read that it occurs when there is another path to ground?

Does it have to be a ground? Can you have imbalance with there is a path to a metal object or a floating ground?

How much difference between currents can there be?

"Unbalanced" has a different meaning for RF transmission lines. Can you please post links to the reading you have been doing? It is very hard to try to help you with your questions when you are ambiguous in your question. Please help us to help you... :smile:
 
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When it's working properly, a dipole is a ' balanced' radiator, with currents of equal amplitude flowing in each leg. When you design an antenna with dipoles in it, you have to assume that the only currents that will flow will be in the antenna elements themselves. That means you don't want any current flowing down the outside of the (coax ) feeder because those currents would produce radiation and interfere with the desired pattern and impedance. There will, of course, be equal and opposite currents flowing in the inner conductor and the inside of the screen. The current flowing along the inner can split, with some flowing in the 'bottom' dipole element and some current flowing down the outside of the feeder (Kirchoff's first law). A Bal-un will ensure that current will only flow in the legs of the dipoles, eliminating the 'unbalanced' flow of current. It converts the Unbalanced situation in the coax to a Balanced situation in the antenna. At the same time, some balun designs also give you an impedance transformation between the 50Ω coax and the higher impedance of the dipole array. (Other designs exist and the same thing applies to them as well). BTW, one good way to eliminate current flowing back down the outside of the feeder is to wrap several turns of the feeder through a ferrite ring - cheap and cheerful and it doesn't help with the match.
There are unbalanced radiators - e.g. a whip antenna on the ground or on a (big enough) ground plane. Current will flow in the whip and also along the ground. The ground currents produce an 'image' of the whip that is upside down and below the ground (same as an optical image in a mirror).
Why use coax to feed a dipole system? It's convenient, already screened and cheap to buy and to install. Also, most amplifiers have an unbalanced output (Signal and Earth). You can get balanced feeder and it is used, for instance, at HF transmitting stations, where it can run across the aerial field as two open wires or as a two wires inside metal trunking. That's hideously expensive but reduces spurious radiation from bends and switches. The twisted pairs, used for Ethernet etc, are balanced, too. Twisting the wires will reduce the radiation considerably (hence low crosstalk between adjacent lines).
 
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