How can a Tesla run for so long?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the operational efficiency and power consumption of Tesla vehicles, particularly the Model S, in relation to its battery capacity. Participants explore the factors influencing how long the vehicle can run, considering aspects such as power output, driving conditions, and energy recovery mechanisms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the runtime of a Tesla Model S based on its horsepower and battery capacity, suggesting a misunderstanding of how power is utilized during normal driving conditions.
  • Another participant explains that power curves are typically measured at wide open throttle (WOT) and that normal driving does not involve constant WOT, leading to lower actual power consumption.
  • A claim is made that a sedan requires only about 15-20 horsepower to maintain highway speeds, indicating that the power needed is significantly less than the maximum output of the vehicle.
  • Participants discuss that power consumption is influenced by factors such as drag, electrical and mechanical losses, and acceleration, with a note that power consumption is generally lower than maximum output during normal operation.
  • One participant emphasizes that dyno charts indicate maximum power delivery at specific RPMs, not the actual power required to move the vehicle, highlighting scenarios like downhill driving where power consumption can be minimal or negative due to regenerative braking.
  • Another point raised is that electric and hybrid vehicles can recover kinetic energy through regenerative braking, which contrasts with traditional combustion vehicles where energy is lost, leading to better energy efficiency in stop-and-go driving compared to highway driving.
  • It is noted that drag increases with the square of speed, suggesting that driving at higher speeds significantly increases energy consumption.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the factors affecting power consumption and efficiency in electric vehicles. There is no consensus on the implications of dyno charts or the comparison of energy usage in different driving conditions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about driving behavior, the impact of speed on drag, and the efficiency of energy recovery systems, which may not be universally applicable or resolved.

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Forgive my ignorance, I really don't know a lot about this topic.

A Tesla Model S has a power of 315 HP (234 kW) and the largest battery they come with is 100 kW*hr.

So shouldn't it only be able to run for (100 kW*hr)/(234 kW) = 0.43 Hr?

I'm assuming the answer to this is the car doesn't use the full 315 HP when driving around town... The problem is when I look at dyno charts for it, the power still seems to be too high for the battery even at low rpms. Any enlightenment about this would be appreciated.
 
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Power curves are given for WOT (wide open throttle). Do you drive a car? Try driving around with the throttle wide open all the time, it's impossible, except for maybe on an autobahn.
normal driving is mostly part throttle, which produces part power and consumes part energy consumption. This applies regardless of the engine type.
 
In order to drive at highway speed, a sedan needs only about 15-20hp.
 
Power consumption is a function of drag, electrical/mechanical losses, and acceleration. If you remove acceleration power consumption comes from only drag plus electrical and mechanical losses. For normal operation acceleration is usually not maximal for lengthy intervals. Power consumption is always at a much lower level that maximal output. Now if you increase drag by going faster or accelerate and decelerate maximally for long periods power consumption goes way up and run time goes way down. That's always true regardless of the energy source, electricity or internal combustion.

A big percentage of power consumption goes to drag and losses. Decreasing weight or reducing aerodynamic losses reduces drag and thereby reduces power consumption providing better run time in cruising conditions. It's a big part of efficient design in an electric car or any other motorized vehicle. If it were possible to design a car with zero drag and zero losses (which it's not) no power would be consumed in operation at a constant speed and the car could run indefinitely without refueling as long as speed remained constant.
 
Jakeeis said:
The problem is when I look at dyno charts for it, the power still seems to be too high for the battery even at low rpms. Any enlightenment about this would be appreciated.

Dyno charts tell you how much power it can deliver at a given rpm. Not how much power is actually needed to move the car at that rpm.

For example when rolling down hill it might not consume any power or the power consumption might even be negative (regenerative braking).
 
Another point is that for an electric - or hybrid a lot of the kenetic energy is recovered in regenerative braking, so the majority of the energy is used in the drag. In a pure combustion vehicle the energy is just lost. When the hybrid cars first came out it was surprising, but understandable. that they had better "around town" economy than highway. Stop and go driving they use much less energy, than at highway speed due to drag. And - drag increases with the square of the speed, so driving at 60 uses 4 x the energy as driving at 30.
 

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