How can I effectively use my mathematical knowledge to solve complex equations?

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The discussion focuses on solving the intersection of a cubic function, y=x^3, and a circle, x^2+y^2=9. Participants explore analytical tools such as Descartes' rule of signs and the rational zero theorem, noting that sextic equations lack general analytic solutions. By substituting u=x^2, the problem reduces to a cubic equation, which can be solved numerically or with software like Maple. One participant provides an approximate solution of 1.3855 for the intersection point, while emphasizing that manual calculations may be less efficient. The conversation also includes light-hearted banter about the participants' engagement with the topic.
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where do a cubic and a circle intersect? y=x^3, x^2+y^2=9? Descartes' rule of signs and rational zero theorem at least tell me we have a symmetical +- irrational root; what tools do I use next? is sin theta = cos^3 theta going anywhere? x^2 + x^6 - 9 = 0. I have seen a graphical solution, but have no idea which analytical tools to use.
 
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There is, in general, no analytic solution for sextic equations (this has been proven). For this one in particular, we have... x^{6} + x^{2} - 9 = 0 Let u = x^{2}, giving us...u^{3} + u - 9 Now approach it as a cubic.
 
By letting u = x2 you get a cubic in u. While it is possible to solve cubics such as this by hand, you likely have better things to do. You could solve it numerically or use a program such as Maple to write out an explicit formula. Here's the exact answer given by Maple for the positive value of x where they intersect (hard to read and parse):

(1/6)*sqrt(6)*sqrt((972+12*sqrt(6573))^(1/3)*((972+12*sqrt(6573))^(2/3)-12))/(972+12*sqrt(6573))^(1/3)

or approximately 1.385703836.
 
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LCKurtz said:
By letting u = x2 you get a cubic in u. While it is possible to solve cubics such as this by hand, you likely have better things to do.
Well, I don't! Using the cubic formula (and, I will admit, a calculator) I got 1.9195 as a solution to the cubic, to four decimal places. The square root of that is 1.3855, basically your answer. Using that you can reduce the problem to a quadratic.

You could solve it numerically or use a program such as Maple to write out an explicit formula. Here's the exact answer given by Maple for the positive value of x where they intersect (hard to read and parse):

(1/6)*sqrt(6)*sqrt((972+12*sqrt(6573))^(1/3)*((972+12*sqrt(6573))^(2/3)-12))/(972+12*sqrt(6573))^(1/3)

or approximately 1.385703836.
LCKurtz, I accidently clicked on "edit" when I intended "quote". Sorry about that. I think I put your post back together correctly.
 
LCKurtz said:
While it is possible to solve cubics such as this by hand, you likely have better things to do...

HallsofIvy said:
Well, I don't!

Heh. Nothing else to do eh? :cool:
LCKurtz, I accidently clicked on "edit" when I intended "quote". Sorry about that. I think I put your post back together correctly.

"With great power comes great responsibility." -- Spiderman
 
LCKurtz said:
Heh. Nothing else to do eh? :cool:


"With great power comes great responsibility." -- Spiderman

Pfft...he was only quoting his Aunt. Your knowledge of Marvel comics is insufficient for you to be giving advice on this forum.
 
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