How can I use circuit analysis to prove RI = RSRP/(RS - RP)?

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The discussion revolves around proving the equation RI = RSRP/(RS - RP) through circuit analysis, specifically involving two circuits with variable resistors. The original poster attempts to derive this relationship using Kirchhoff's rules and system of equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the use of Kirchhoff's rules to set up equations for two circuits and explore the implications of circuit conditions, such as full-scale and half-scale deflection of meters. There are attempts to manipulate variables and express relationships between resistances and currents.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights on the importance of incorporating meter conditions into the analysis, while others are exploring how to express the current through the meters in both circuits. The conversation indicates a productive exploration of the problem, with various interpretations and approaches being discussed.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of specific conditions required for the circuits, such as the need for full-scale and half-scale deflection of the meters, which may affect the analysis. The original poster's attempts have led to confusion regarding the relationships between the resistances, and there is a recognition of the need to clarify these assumptions.

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Homework Statement


I have to prove that RI = RSRP/(RS - RP) by circuit analysis.
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So I tried to create a system of equations to do this:

For the first circuit using kirchhoffs rules:
V-IA(RS + RI) = 0 [1]

For the second circuit:

V-IBRS - IPRP = 0 [2]

V-IBRS - (IA)/2 * RI = 0 (It's IA/2 because of kirchhoffs rules regarding the junction therefore it's equivalent to the first circuit's I divided by 2) [3]

IB = IP + IA/2 [4]

First I solved for V for first 3 equations. Then for equation 4, i solved for IA/2 to make it easier for me, then I substituted it and tried to eliminate as much variables as I can by equating [1] and [2]. then whatever result I get for that, I then equate it to [3]. After doing this, I get
IB(2Rs + RI) = IP(2Rs + RI -RP)

Solving this using my head, I know I won't be able to prove the Ri equation. Any tips or other methods to do this?
 
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Are there any particular circuit conditions under which this expression is meant to hold? The problem statement doesn't mention anything, but to me these are just two completely independent circuits with variable resistors. Why variable?
 
I'm not really sure what you mean but this is from a lab and for the series circuit, full scale deflection of the meter is required. The parallel circuit, one-half scale deflection of the meter was required, which is why the parallel resistor was added.I originally used the parallel circuit to try to prove the Ri equation but I ended up with:
RI=RSRP/(RP - RS) which is wrong.
So I asked my professor, and this [the attempted solution: using both circuits] is what he hinted me to do and I just can't seem to solve it.
 
Well, that's context that is important! So somehow you have to incorporate the meter conditions into the analysis. What does half deflection versus full deflection imply? (think: current)

EDIT: Or think voltage across the meter. Either way works.
 
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I 'm sort of getting it now. Since the first circuit is in series, lowering the resistance increased the deflection. Using Ohm's law, I =V/R, the meter indicated more current was able to flow through. For the 2nd circuit, using kirchhoffs law, increasing the resistance by a little bit, decreased the deflection by signifcantly since it was in parallel. therefore the current in the meter decreased.

I still can't think of a way to incorporate that into the analysis...Right now my mind is heading towards something about manipulating the current but I don't know how to do it in terms of the equations
 
Start by writing expressions for the current through the meter for both circuits.
 
The only thing making sense to me is:
1. using circuit 1, record Rs1 and il.
2.Using circuit 2, adjust Rs2 and Rp for same iL as for ckt. 1. Record Rs2 and Rp.
Then you can express Rl in terms of Rs1, Rs2 and Rp. Rs2 will be < Rs1.
 

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