How can standard enthelpy values be negative?

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Certain aqueous ions, like Ca2+, exhibit negative standard entropy values, which raises questions since dissolution typically leads to increased entropy. This phenomenon can occur due to significant dipole interactions between the solute and solvent, which may outweigh the entropy of mixing. The extent of this charge-dipole interaction can vary, contributing to the complexity of entropy measurements in dissolution processes. Additionally, pure elements consistently have positive standard entropy values because their entropy is derived from the integral of heat capacity over temperature, reflecting the inherent disorder in their atomic arrangements. This understanding clarifies the relationship between entropy and dissolution, as well as the behavior of elements in terms of standard entropy.
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Certain aqueous ions have negative values for SO, such as Ca2+ with -55.2 J/(K*mol); how is this possible when dissolution is usually an increase in entropy?

Also, all pure elements seem to have positive standard entropy value; why is this the case?

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Enthalpy or entropy?

Aceix..
 
Oh jeez, I'm so sorry. I meant to say entropy. My bad.
 
Conservation said:
how is this possible when dissolution is usually an increase in entropy?
Start dropping solvent dipoles into an electrical potential well. There's more going on than just entropy of mixing.
 
So is the dipole interaction between the solute and the solvent great enough that dissolution will result in an overall decrease in entropy despite the entropy of mixing?
 
Can the charge-dipole interaction be that large? Yes. Is it always? No. That's what keeps measurement labs busy.
 
Makes sense. Thank you.
Also, could you answer my other question about elements always having a positive standard enthalpy?
 
Conservation said:
elements always having a positive standard enthalpy?
Enthalpy? Again, you mean "entropy?" It's the integral of Cp/T from absolute zero to 298 K (or whatever T for the table).
 
I really have to stop using the wrong term. I'm so sorry-the suggested threads about enthalpy at the bottom were throwing me off. :(
Okay, I think I see the integral idea now. Your explanation and this site (http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~cchieh/cact/applychem/entropy.html) was really helpful.

Thank you.
 
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