How do Dangerous Unstable Lakes pose a potential threat to human populations?

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The discussion revolves around the potential threats posed by dangerous unstable lakes, particularly in Africa, which may release large amounts of gases like CO2 or methane. Participants explore the mechanisms behind these phenomena, the implications for human populations, and related environmental concerns.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that deep lakes in Africa have stable lower layers due to higher salinity, which can trap gases like CO2 and methane until disturbed.
  • There is a concern that disturbances such as volcanic activity or underwater landslides could trigger the release of these gases, potentially leading to suffocation events in nearby populations.
  • One participant mentions a project aimed at pumping methane from a deep lake to prevent gas buildup, though specifics about the location are unclear.
  • Another participant draws parallels to polluted rivers that can produce toxic gases like H2S, referencing a historical case involving fatalities.
  • Several links to external articles and news stories are shared, indicating ongoing interest and research in this area, though the relevance of each is not fully explored within the thread.

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Participants express various concerns regarding the dangers of unstable lakes and related environmental issues, but there is no consensus on specific solutions or the extent of the threat. Multiple competing views and examples are presented without resolution.

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Some claims depend on specific conditions such as lake chemistry and external disturbances, which are not fully detailed. The discussion includes references to historical events and ongoing projects, but lacks comprehensive data on the effectiveness of proposed solutions.

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This discussion may be of interest to environmental scientists, researchers studying gas emissions from lakes, and individuals concerned about the safety of communities near unstable water bodies.

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The African continent has several deep lakes with a deeper layer that is mostly not mixing with the overlaying layer. This could be due to a higher salinity, making the deeper layer more dense, and therefore stable.
If enough CO2 or methane is pumped into the lower layer of water, it may get close to its saturation point. Nevertheless this can be stable for long times.
However, if something disturbs the deep layer. Part of it may slosh around and moving some of it to a shallower area with less pressure. If gas starts bubbling out of solution, the water becomes less dense volume of water and rises toward. This will draw water from lower regions up under neath to where it will release gas and continue the cycle.

The initial disturbance could be any of a number of things: volcanic heating of deep layers, underwater land slide (maybe from an earthquake) disturbing enough of the deep layer to start the cycle. ?

Water can hold huge amounts of CO2, so really massive amounts can be released, enough to flood a valley with heavier than air CO2 and suffocating them.
This is known to have at least once, and is a potential threat to at least hundreds of thousands.

Using very simple technology, any aquarium hobbyist would be familiar with, an airlift tube, a self powered (once started) pump (the air lift tube), is used to pump saturated water from the bottom of one of these lakes.
The rate is easily controlled with a valve. Amount of dissolved CO2 levels were reduced safely.

Different lakes work differently because they have different chemistries going on. Different solutions.

Much of this and a lot more is in this nice Nature podcast written up as a little article.
Maybe the writer went to a meeting.
 
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I’ve seen something of this on NOVA where heavy gases would get released and stream down a mountain and inundating villages or laying low in a depression until a small animal or child ventures in and can’t breathe.

There was one project that pumped out the trapped methane from a deep lake to prevent the buildup but I can’t remember where in Africa.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidb...angerous-volcanic-phenomenon/?sh=55f92fb1247b
 
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Heres the NOVA link

 
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