How do I calculate the derivative of the inverse sin and inverse tan

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The discussion revolves around calculating the derivatives of the inverse sine and inverse tangent functions. Participants are exploring the correct application of identities and methods for these derivatives.

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  • Participants discuss the necessity of using specific identities and methods, such as the chain rule, in their calculations. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between inverse functions and their derivatives, as well as the role of diagrams in understanding the problems.

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The conversation includes various interpretations of the problems, with some participants providing guidance on correcting errors in reasoning. There is an acknowledgment of the correct answers being reached, but also a desire to understand the mistakes made in the initial attempts.

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Some participants mention the use of diagrams and the potential for confusion arising from different representations. There is also a focus on ensuring that the definitions and relationships between the functions are correctly applied.

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Homework Statement
I need to calculate the expression for the derivative of the inverse tan and sin. I have written my solution of the inverse tan on the attachment but I have questions. Also, using the same method, the calculation of the derivative of the inverse sin does not work.
Relevant Equations
y = tan^-1(x) find dy/dx and y = sin^-1(x) find dy/dx
I calculated an expression for the derivative of the inverse tan but I did not use the identity as suggested. Why did I need to use this identity. Did I do the problem correctly? I got the correct answer.

I tried to do the derivative of the inverse sin the same way. I used the same figure 1 on the diagram that I used for the tan problem. However, my answer, sqrt(x^2 + 1) is not correct, The correct answer, according to the book is 1/sqrt(1-x^2).

I cannot see the error.

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If f and g are inverses of each other ,do you know what f(g(x)) is? Do you know how to use the chain rule here?
 
Yes, f(g(x)) = x if they are inverses.
 
I have found an explanation of these inverses that do not use the triangles I used in the original post. I thought the triangles would help but it seems not to be necessary. Even though I have the solution, Iwould still like to know why the inverse sin I calculated in the original post is incorrect.
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Using the picture method for sin one would draw a triangle with hypotenuse =1
 
I agree hutch but is there some reason I could not use the fig 1 diagram?
 
The sin of y is not x. It is x/ hypotenuse. You need to use it correctly!
 
Agreed, but I would think that since both diagrams are correct in a Pythagorean sense that using a change of variable or other trick might make the first figure work. I guess not. I have the correct answer now I will just have ot clear my head. Thanks
 
If you do it correctly it will work perfectly. If you write down an equation that is incorrect you will get wrong anwers. From your picture, write down sin (y). Proceed. It will be messy.
 
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For one,d/dx(sinx)=cosx, not -cosx. And when setting y=tan−1(x)y=tan−1(x) you do not get d(y)/dx=1. Nice try, but as Hutch said, you need to mind the details.
 
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WWDG, you are correct. With the fixed error, the answer would be correct.
 
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