How Do I Find the Speed Without Friction?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the conservation of energy as a toboggan descends an icy hill. The original poster describes a scenario where the toboggan starts from rest and seeks to find its speed at a lower point, assuming negligible friction.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between potential energy and kinetic energy, questioning how to apply conservation of energy principles to find the speed of the toboggan at a specific point. There are inquiries about the relevant formulas and the interpretation of energy values.

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Participants have provided insights into the conservation of energy and the relationship between potential and kinetic energy. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of energy values, but there is still uncertainty about the specific formula to calculate speed from kinetic energy.

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There is a focus on the potential energy at the starting point and its conversion to kinetic energy at the lower point. The discussion includes questions about the reference point for potential energy and the assumptions made regarding friction.

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some children go tobogganing on an icy hill. They start from rest at the top of the hill as shown in the diagram. The toboggan and children have a combined mass of 90 kg. If friction is small enough to be ignored, determine:
The speed of the toboggan at B
A is at 10m
B is at 0
C is at 3m
I only know the potential energy for A, the mass, and initial velocity
 
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max1020 said:
I only know the potential energy for A, the mass, and initial velocity

You know the potential energy for A relative to where? Relative to B?

If so, then that's enough information.

You know about conservation of energy, right? All of the potential energy of A relative to B will have been converted into kinetic energy (at point B).
 
I know the total mechanical energy for A which is 8820J
 
That is the sum of the kinetic and gravitational potential energy at point A?

If so, then that sum will have the same value at point B.
 
But how do I use that to find speed? Is there a formula for that
 
Conservation of energy: the total of potential energy and kinetic energy is constant. You know the potential energy at the top where the kinetic energy is 0. At a lower point where the potential energy is lower, the kinetic energy is the difference between the two potential energies. You can find the velocity from the kinetic energy.
 
max1020 said:
But how do I use that to find speed? Is there a formula for that

Do you know a formula that relates the K.E. of an object to its velocity?
 
NascentOxygen said:
Do you know a formula that relates the K.E. of an object to its velocity?

Is it
V=sqrt2k/m
 
max1020 said:
Is it
V=sqrt2k/m

No, not quite right...but you could make it right be adding a pair of parentheses. :wink:
 

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