How Do Torque and Work Relate in Physical Systems?

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The discussion focuses on the relationship between torque and work in physical systems, illustrated by two problems: one involving horses pulling a drill and another concerning biceps lifting a weight. Participants clarify that the work done in one revolution of the drill can be expressed as 2*pi*torque, but confusion arises in calculating torque. The formula for torque is provided as τ = r F sinθ, emphasizing the importance of understanding the angle and distance in calculations. For the bicep lifting problem, the need to calculate the vertical distance lifted against gravity is highlighted. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the connection between torque and work while addressing specific calculation challenges.
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1. Four horses together pull an old-fashioned drill of the type used to make big guns. It has four levers mounted horizontally on a revolving central axes. Assuming each horse pulls at the same angle of 45 degress to the radial lever of the drill, and pulls with a given force, T, how much work do the horses perform together over one full revolution of the drill?

I got as far as drawing out the picture of this problem and starting the work: First of all the Work of one revolution is equal to 2*pi*torque right? Then in trying to find the torque... this is where I get confused.

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2. How much work do the biceps perform when lifting a 2 kg mass from the lower arm positioned 45 degrees downward to horizontal?

This problem I don't even know where to start.

Both of these problems involve torque and work but i am not sure how to relate them.

Any help would be appreciated!
 
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MLoren said:
I got as far as drawing out the picture of this problem and starting the work: First of all the Work of one revolution is equal to 2*pi*torque right?
Right.
Then in trying to find the torque... this is where I get confused.
The torque exerted by a force about an axis is \tau = \vec{r}\times\vec{F} = r F sin\theta, where r is the distance from the axis to the point where the force is applied and \theta is the angle the force makes with the radial vector.

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2. How much work do the biceps perform when lifting a 2 kg mass from the lower arm positioned 45 degrees downward to horizontal?
Since the work is done against gravity, start by finding the vertical distance the mass is lifted.
 
Minor point, Al, but you have equated a vector to scalars. Obviously it's not what you meant.
 
Tide said:
Minor point, Al, but you have equated a vector to scalars. Obviously it's not what you meant.
You caught me being lazy, Tide! :blushing:
Yes, the torque is a vector. r F sin\theta is just the magnitude of the torque.
 
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