How Do Velocity and Friction Affect a Coin's Motion on a Table?

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The discussion focuses on determining the necessary initial velocity (v) and angular velocity (w) for a coin projected on a table to come to rest after traveling a distance (d). The equations derived include v = sqrt(ugd) for translational motion and w = (2ug/r)(d/v) for rotational motion, where u is the coefficient of kinetic friction and g is the acceleration due to gravity. Participants clarify the use of symbols, particularly the confusion between time (t) and torque (T), and confirm that t can be expressed as 2d/v based on average velocity calculations. The importance of accurately representing time in the equations is emphasized to avoid confusion. Overall, the thread provides a detailed analysis of the physics involved in the motion of the coin.
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Homework Statement



A coin stands vertically on a table. It is projected forward (in the plane of itself) with speed v and angular speed w. The coefficient of kinetic friction between the coin and the table is u. What should v and w be so that the coin comes to rest (both translationally and rotationally) a distance d from where it started.

Homework Equations



I = 1/2mr^2

T = r x f

Ff = uFn

F = ma

T = Iw’

The Attempt at a Solution



For v:

Ff = uFn

Ff = umg

Fnet = umg

ma = umg

a = ug

v - ug(t) = 0

v - ug(d/v) = 0

v = (ugd)/v

v^2 = ugd

v = sqrt(ugd)

For w:

T = r x f

T = umgr

T = Iw’

umgr = 1/2mr^2w’

w’ = 2ug/r

w - (2ug/r)(t) = 0

w = (2ug/r)(d/v)

w = (2ug/r)(d/(sqrt(ugd)))

w = 2sqrt(ugd)/r
 
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Fascheue said:
v - ug(t) = 0

v - ug(d/v) = 0
Here you use t for "time" while later you use the same symbol for "torque". That could be confusing. Setting that aside, t for time cannot be replaced by d/v because the coin does not cover equal distances in equal times.
 
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kuruman said:
Here you use t for "time" while later you use the same symbol for "torque". That could be confusing. Setting that aside, t for time cannot be replaced by d/v because the coin does not cover equal distances in equal times.
I replaced the t’s that were used to represent torque with T.

Can I replace t with 2d/v?

d = avg velocity (t)

t = d/(avg velocity)

And average velocity is (vi + vf)/2 = (v +0)/2

t = d/(.5v) = 2d/v
 
Fascheue said:
Can I replace t with 2d/v?
Yes, you can do that.
 
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