How Do You Calculate Initial Conditions in First Order Transient Circuits?

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The discussion focuses on calculating initial conditions in first-order transient circuits, specifically io(t=0-), io(t=0+), and Vc(t=0-). The user initially calculated Vc(0-) as 24V and io(0-) as 2A but later revised these values to 32V and approximately 5.3mA after further calculations. It was clarified that at steady state (t=∞), the capacitor behaves like an open circuit, allowing for simpler voltage calculations. The user confirmed their revised calculations with assistance from another participant, leading to a successful outcome. The conversation concludes with a suggestion to search online for additional practice resources.
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Homework Statement


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It asks me to find io(t=0-), io(t=0+), and Vc(t=0-). C=100μF R= 2kΩ

Homework Equations


V=I*R, i(t)= i(∞)+[i(0+)-i(∞)]*e-t/τ, Vc(0-)=Vc(0+)

The Attempt at a Solution



[/B]I first tried to calculate Vc(0-) as it will be the same as Vc(0+), stating that at t=0- the capacitor acts as an open circuit because it's been fully charged (the switch has been off since -∞), and I think it's 24V but I'm not sure about that. I also calculated io(0-), which is 2A, but I couldn't go any further.

Thank you guys.
 
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Can you show some details of your calculations for initial values of Vc and io?

To me, 24 V looks too low and 2 A looks to large...
 
You're right about the io, I believe it should be 36-12=io(2000+3*2000+2*2000) io=2x10-3 A. For the Vc I just did 36-12, but now that I think of it maybe it's 32, as the voltage drops 4V in the first resistance. I struggle a lot to calculate voltages when the capacitor is in the middle of the circuit.
 
Crutchlow13 said:
You're right about the io, I believe it should be 36-12=io(2000+3*2000+2*2000) io=2x10-3 A. For the Vc I just did 36-12, but now that I think of it maybe it's 32, as the voltage drops 4V in the first resistance.
Those are better values :smile: You should always lay out the equations, particularly to confirm any "intuitive" results.
 
gneill said:
Those are better values :smile: You should always lay out the equations, particularly to confirm any "intuitive" results.

Yeah you're right, thanks. I'm now trying to calculate io(0+) and io(∞). For io(0+) I replaced the capacitor for a voltage source of 32V (assuming the other calculations were right) and applying KVL I figured that the intensity should be 32/6000= 5,3x10-3. But I'm not sure how the capacitor acts when t=∞ /:
 
At steady state, capacitor currents go to zero. Effectively they "look like" an open circuit to the rest of the circuit. So for t=∞ remove the capacitor and find the potential across the points where it was connected.

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gneill said:
At steady state, capacitor currents go to zero. Effectively they "look like" an open circuit to the rest of the circuit. So for t=∞ remove the capacitor and find the potential across the points where it was connected.

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Thank you very much @gneill, my teacher posted the solution and it turns out the second calculations I assumed (with your help) were right! :D Do you know any good books with this type of exercices so I can practice for my exam? Thank you again for your time.
 
Crutchlow13 said:
Thank you very much @gneill, my teacher posted the solution and it turns out the second calculations I assumed (with your help) were right! :D Do you know any good books with this type of exercices so I can practice for my exam? Thank you again for your time.
Well done.

I don't know of any particular books, but a Google search on "first order circuits examples" will turn up lots of hits.
 
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