How Do You Calculate the Depth of an Object Using Sonar Echoes?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the depth of an underwater object using sonar echoes. A submarine receives an echo at a 20-degree angle above the horizontal, taking 2.32 seconds to return. Participants express confusion about the angle and how to visualize the problem, with one suggesting a trigonometric approach to relate the depth and the distance traveled by the sound. The speed of sound in water is necessary for accurate calculations, and the initial attempt using the speed of sound in air yielded an incorrect depth. Clarification on the angle's implication and the correct speed of sound is essential for solving the problem accurately.
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Homework Statement


A submarine on the ocean surface gets a sonar echo indicating an underwater object. The echo comes back at an angle of 20* above the horizontal and the echo took 2.32s to get back to the submarine. What is the object's depth?

Homework Equations


delta of theta = (2pi/lambda) * (delta of L)

I = (P)/(4piR^2) and (I2/I1) = (R1/R2)^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I really have no idea where to begin this problem. I can't really visualize it...if the submarine is on the ocean's surface and emits a sonar signal, shouldn't the echo be coming up from under the submarine vertically? Why is it 20* above the horizontal? I tried drawing a diagram but I don't know what it should look like with the information given. Also, I have no idea what equation would be best to use either. (I have more equations, I just thought that these would be the most helpful for the problem.)



Homework Statement


A person has a hearing loss of 30dB for a particular frequency. What is the sound intensity that is heard at this frequency that has an intensity of the threshold of pain?

Homework Equations


same I equations as above and B = 10log(I/Io)

Ip = 1.0W/m^2

The Attempt at a Solution


Here is what I did:

log (I / 1.0W/m^2) = 3B
I = 10^3 W/m^2

Am I totally off on what the question is asking me to do?

THANKS!
 
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Ok, for the first one...

I'm not quite sure if what I did was correct, but I'll give you my two cents.

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/51/subto4.gif

So from that drawing, you can see kind of how I pictured it. If that's the case, you know v = 343 m/s (speed of sound in air...you'll probably need to speed of sound in water for this problem which I don't know). You also know t = 2.32 s, and that the angle is 20 degrees.

I figured that the distance down was d, and the hypotenuse was d/sin(20) by trig. Adding these two numbers, you find the total distance traveled by the sound to be d + d/sin(20), or what I thought was easier, ( d (sin(20) + 1 ) )/sin(20). Since you can assume that the acceleration is zero for sound, you can simply use d = vt.

Your equation should look something similar to:

d = (v * t * sin(20)) / (sin(20) + 1)

I got 202.8 m using the speed of sound in air. Using the correct value for the speed of sound in water should change your answer...But again, I have no idea if I thought of the question correctly either.
 
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Your figure makes sense but the problem states that the echo comes back at an "angle 20* ABOVE the horizontal". That's the part that confuses me.
 
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