How Do You Calculate the Spring Constant of a Charged DNA Molecule?

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The problem involves calculating the effective spring constant of a charged DNA molecule, which is treated as a spring. The DNA molecule is 1.12 μm long and compresses by 0.4% when ionized. The Coulomb constant is provided for the calculations related to the electrostatic force between the charges at either end of the molecule.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the distance between the ends of the molecule and question whether to use 1.2 μm or 1.12 μm for this distance. There is also a focus on the correct interpretation of the variables in Hooke's law, particularly the distinction between the compression distance and the total length.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants clarifying the correct distance to use in calculations and the meaning of the variables in the context of Hooke's law. Some participants have provided guidance on the formulas to use, while others are still uncertain about the correct approach to determining the spring constant.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the initial length of the DNA molecule and the implications of compression on the calculations. Participants are also grappling with the definitions of the variables involved in the equations.

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Homework Statement


A molecule of DNA lies along a straight line. It is 1.12 μm long. The ends of the molecule become singly ionized; negative on one end, positive on the other. The helical molecule acts as a spring and compresses .4% upon becoming charged.
The Coulomb constant is 8.99 X 109 N*m2/C2.
Determine the effective spring constant of the molecule. Take into account the compressed length when calculating the distance between the ends of the molecule. Answer in units N/m.


Homework Equations


Fe= ke * ( q1q2 / d^2 )



The Attempt at a Solution


d = 1.2*10-6 - (1.2*10-6 * .004) = 1.1952 μm
Fe = ke * ( q1q2 / d2 ) = (8.99*109) * (( 1.6*10-19 )2) / (1.1952*10-6)2 = 2014 N
Fs = kx
x = d
Fe = Fs ---> 2014 = (1.1952*10-6) k ---> k = 1.685*109 N/m
 
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bastige said:
d = 1.2*10-6 - (1.2*10-6 * .004) = 1.1952 μm
Is the distance 1.2 or 1.12 μm?
Fe = ke * ( q1q2 / d2 ) = (8.99*109) * (( 1.6*10-19 )2) / (1.1952*10-6)2 = 2014 N
Fs = kx
x = d
Fe = Fs ---> 2014 = (1.1952*10-6) k ---> k = 1.685*109 N/m
In Hooke's law (F = kx), x is the amount of compression from the uncompressed/unstretched position. So x does not equal d!
 
distance is 1.12μm , so
d=(1.12E-9) - (1.2E-9 * .004) =1.11552E-9

& i totally butchered the rest. I'm not sure what its supposed to look like
Fe=8.99E+9 * ? / 1.11552E-9

Then
Fs=kx
Fs*x =K
 
bastige said:
distance is 1.12μm , so
d=(1.12E-9) - (1.2E-9 * .004) =1.11552E-9
Good.

& i totally butchered the rest. I'm not sure what its supposed to look like
Fe=8.99E+9 * ? / 1.11552E-9
You had the right idea before:
F_e = k_e q^2/d^2

Then
Fs=kx
Fs*x =K
F = kx
so, k = F/x.

What's x? (By what distance is the "spring" compressed?)
 
Doc Al said:
Is the distance 1.2 or 1.12 μm?

In Hooke's law (F = kx), x is the amount of compression from the uncompressed/unstretched position. So x does not equal d!

This guy is right. x does not equal d. x equals (1.12 μm*.004)
 

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