How do you find the electric potential from force?

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The discussion revolves around finding the electric potential function V(x,y) from a modified form of Coulomb's force, specifically F = (y)(q1q2)(r hat)/(r^4), where y is a constant. Participants are exploring the relationship between electric force and electric potential in the context of electrostatics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the process of deriving the electric field from the given force equation and integrating it to find the potential. There are questions about the transition from q1 to Q and the correct interpretation of constants in the equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on the integration process and the substitution of variables. There is ongoing clarification regarding the definitions and relationships between the variables involved, with no explicit consensus reached on the correctness of the initial attempts.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the implications of using different coordinate systems and the appropriate forms of differential elements in their calculations. There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the constant y and its representation.

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Homework Statement



Suppose Coulomb's force is actually

F= (y)(q1q2)(r hat)/(r^4)

with y being a constant. Find the electric potential function V(x,y) for a charge Q located at the point x=a, y=b

Homework Equations



Fq=E

V=integral (E)

The Attempt at a Solution



I am very confused by this problem and do not know if my solution is correct:

1)

find electric field using fq=E,

E=(y)(q1)(r hat) / (r^4)

2)

Integrate to find V. Somehow change q1 to Q

V= integral (E dot Dr)
V= Qy integral (1/r^4)

v= -Qy/r^3,

where r = sqrt((x-A)^3 + (y-B)^2)

giving

V (x,y) = - yQ / 3 ((x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2))^(3/2)) + 0Is this correct? How does q1 change into Q?
 
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Mitocarta said:

Homework Statement



Suppose Coulomb's force is actually

F= (y)(q1q2)(r hat)/(r^4)

with y being a constant. Find the electric potential function V(x,y) for a charge Q located at the point x=a, y=b

Homework Equations



Fq=E

V=integral (E)

The Attempt at a Solution



I am very confused by this problem and do not know if my solution is correct:

1) find electric field using fq=E,

E=(y)(q1)(r hat) / (r^4)

2) Integrate to find V. Somehow change q1 to Q

V= integral (E dot Dr)
V= Qy integral (1/r^4)

v= -Qy/r^3,

where r = sqrt((x-A)^3 + (y-B)^2)

giving

V (x,y) = - yQ / 3 ((x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2))^(3/2)) + 0

Is this correct? How does q1 change into Q?
Not correct.

Are you sure that's y, and not γ (gamma) ? Whatever it is, it's a constant.

I'm assuming that [itex]\displaystyle \ \ \vec{F}=\gamma\,\frac{q_{1}q_{1}}{r^4} \hat{r}\ \[/itex] gives the force exerted on q2 by q1 .

Then what you for the E field due to q1 makes sense. To find the E field due to Q, simply replace q1 with Q .To get the potential, simply integrate.

[itex]\displaystyle V(r)=-\int \vec{E}(r)\cdot d\vec{r}[/itex]
[itex]\displaystyle =-\int\gamma\,Qr^{-4}\hat{r}\cdot d\vec{r}[/itex]​
 
Thank you.



I know that dr = dr ir + dθ ir and that dr = dx ix + dy iy.


How do I know in which situation to use each?
 
Mitocarta said:
Thank you.

I know that dr = dr ir + dθ ir and that dr = dx ix + dy iy.

How do I know in which situation to use each?
Well, [itex]\hat{r}\ \text{ is parallel to }\ d\vec{r}\ \[/itex] so that [itex]\hat{r}\cdot d\vec{r}=dr\ .[/itex]

That results in [itex]\displaystyle \int\vec{E}\cdot d\vec{r}=\int E\,dr\ .[/itex]
 

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