How do you find the length of the curve defined by r(t) between two points?

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The discussion revolves around finding the length of a curve defined by the parametric function r(t) = <10t, 5t², 5ln(t)> for t > 0, specifically between the points (10, 5, 0) and (20, 20, 5ln(2)). Participants are exploring the necessary steps to compute the integral for the curve length.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the derivative r'(t) and its implications for the length calculation. There are attempts to evaluate the integral and questions about the correctness of the derived expressions. Some participants express uncertainty about the next steps after obtaining the expression for the integrand.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the integral setup, with some participants suggesting re-evaluating the expression under the square root. Multiple interpretations of the integral limits and the integrand have been presented, indicating a productive discussion without explicit consensus on the final approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraint of finding the length between specific points, which leads to the identification of t values as 1 and 2. There is mention of potential confusion regarding the integration process and the evaluation of the integral itself.

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Homework Statement



Consider the path r(t) = <10t,5t2,5ln(t) defined for t >0. Find the length of the curve between (10,5,0) and (20,20,5ln(2))

Homework Equations



L= ∫ab |r'(t)|dt

The Attempt at a Solution


r'(t) = <10, 10t, 5/t>

t values are 1 and 2 based on the x values for the points listed

√(102 + (10t)2 + (5/t)2)
√(100 + 100t2 + 25/t2)
√(25) ⋅ √(4 + 4t2 + 1/t2)
5√(4 + 4t2 + 1/t2)This is where I am getting stuck. Is there an additional step that is missing?
 
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Turbodog66 said:

Homework Statement



Consider the path r(t) = <10t,5t2,5ln(t) defined for t >0. Find the length of the curve between (10,5,0) and (20,20,5ln(2))

Homework Equations



L= ∫ab |r'(t)|dt

The Attempt at a Solution


r'(t) = <10, 10t, 5/t>

t values are 1 and 2 based on the x values for the points listed

√(102 + (10t)2 + (5/t)2)
√(100 + 100t2 + 25/t2)
√(25) ⋅ √(4 + 4t2 + 1/t2)
5√(4 + 4t2 + 1/t2)This is where I am getting stuck. Is there an additional step that is missing?
Yes. You need to figure out the initial ##t_1## final value ##t_2## of ##t##, then do the integral
$$\text{Length} = \int_{t_1}^{t_2} 5 \sqrt{ \displaystyle 4 + 4 t^2 + \frac{1}{t^2}} \, dt $$
 
Turbodog66 said:

Homework Statement



Consider the path r(t) = <10t,5t2,5ln(t) defined for t >0. Find the length of the curve between (10,5,0) and (20,20,5ln(2))

Homework Equations



L= ∫ab |r'(t)|dt

The Attempt at a Solution


r'(t) = <10, 10t, 5/t>

t values are 1 and 2 based on the x values for the points listed

√(102 + (10t)2 + (5/t)2)
√(100 + 100t2 + 25/t2)
√(25) ⋅ √(4 + 4t2 + 1/t2)
5√(4 + 4t2 + 1/t2)This is where I am getting stuck. Is there an additional step that is missing?

Hint: If you re-arrange the expression under the square root, you may recognize it as a perfect square.
 
Ray Vickson said:
Yes. You need to figure out the initial ##t_1## final value ##t_2## of ##t##, then do the integral
$$\text{Length} = \int_{t_1}^{t_2} 5 \sqrt{ \displaystyle 4 + 4 t^2 + \frac{1}{t^2}} \, dt $$

Based on the two points listed, I found that t1 = 1 and t2=2. So next I would then substitute in the t values and solve? I attempted that previously, but I did not get the correct answer.

$$\text{Length} = \int_{1}^{2} 5 \sqrt{ \displaystyle 4 + 4 (2^2 -1^2) + \frac{1}{2^2-1^2}} \, dt $$
 
Turbodog66 said:
Based on the two points listed, I found that t1 = 1 and t2=2. So next I would then substitute in the t values and solve? I attempted that previously, but I did not get the correct answer.

$$\text{Length} = \int_{1}^{2} 5 \sqrt{ \displaystyle 4 + 4 (2^2 -1^2) + \frac{1}{2^2-1^2}} \, dt $$

If ##f(t) = 5 \sqrt{4 + 4t^2 + 1/t^2}##, then ##\int_{t_1}^{t_2} f(t) \, dt = F(t_2) - F(t_1)##, where ##F(t) = \int f(t) \, dt## is the indefinite integral of ##f(t)##. This is not anything like what you wrote!
 

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