How Do You Solve a Plane Equation in R^4 and Find Its Normalized Normal?

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of a plane in R^4 that contains a specific point and is parallel to another given plane. Participants are tasked with determining the normalized normal vector of the plane and calculating the distance from a point to the plane.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the normals of parallel planes and the implications of scalar multiples. There is uncertainty about how to derive the equation of the plane and the meaning of the "normalized normal." Some participants question the application of distance formulas in R^4.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. There is a mix of attempts to clarify concepts and questions about the definitions involved, particularly regarding the normal vector and its normalization.

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Some participants express confusion about terminology, specifically the distinction between "normal" and "norm." There is also a mention of imposed homework rules that may limit the information available for solving the problem.

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Homework Statement



Find equation of plan H in R^4 that contains the point P= (2,-1,10,6)
and is parallel to plain H2: 4a +4b + 5c-6d = 3 then answer the following questions:
A. find normalized normal of plane H which has an angle theta with the normal n= (4,4,5,-6) of H2 such that cos(theta) >0

B.Find the distance from (2,2,-1,-2) to the plane H

Homework Equations


0 = n1(a-p1) + n2(b-p2) + n3(c-p3) + n4(d-p4)



The Attempt at a Solution



So for part A:
I know that if they are parallel then the normal of H2 equals to some constant k times normal of H

N2 = kN
and I believe I found equation for H:
0 = n1(a-2) + n2(b+1) + n3(c-10) + n4(d-6)
I just do not know where to go from there

Part B

d(x,y) ||y-x||
Does this apply to planes?
 
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concon said:

Homework Statement



Find equation of plan H in R^4 that contains the point P= (2,-1,10,6)
and is parallel to plain H2: 4a +4b + 5c-6d = 3 then answer the following questions:
A. find normalized normal of plane H which has an angle theta with the normal n= (4,4,5,-6) of H2 such that cos(theta) >0

B.Find the distance from (2,2,-1,-2) to the plane H

Homework Equations


0 = n1(a-p1) + n2(b-p2) + n3(c-p3) + n4(d-p4)



The Attempt at a Solution



So for part A:
I know that if they are parallel then the normal of H2 equals to some constant k times normal of H

N2 = kN
Since you're given plane H2 as 4a + 4b + 5c - 6d = 3, you should be able to write the coordinates of a normal to this plane by nothing more than inspection.

N = <?, ?, ?, ?>
concon said:
and I believe I found equation for H:
0 = n1(a-2) + n2(b+1) + n3(c-10) + n4(d-6)
I just do not know where to go from there
Just put in the coordinates of the normal, and you're done.
concon said:
Part B

d(x,y) ||y-x||
Does this apply to planes?
There's a formula for the distance between two points in R4.
 
Mark44 said:
Since you're given plane H2 as 4a + 4b + 5c - 6d = 3, you should be able to write the coordinates of a normal to this plane by nothing more than inspection.

N = <?, ?, ?, ?>
Just put in the coordinates of the normal, and you're done.

There's a formula for the distance between two points in R4.
Thank you for your reply! Yes by inspection the Normal for H2 is (4,4,5,-6), but does that mean that H and H2 have the same normal since they are parallel?

Also, what is the equation for distance between two points in R4?
Thanks again!
 
concon said:
Thank you for your reply! Yes by inspection the Normal for H2 is (4,4,5,-6), but does that mean that H and H2 have the same normal since they are parallel?
Yes, sort of. The same vector will be normal to both planes, but the two vectors don't have to be equal - one could be a scalar multiple of the other.
concon said:
Also, what is the equation for distance between two points in R4?
Thanks again!

If A = (a1, a2, a3, a4) and B = (b1, b2, b3, b4) are two points in R4, then ##d(A, B) = \sqrt{ (a_1 - b_1)^2 + (a_2 - b_2)^2 + (a_3 - b_3)^2 + (a_4 - b_4)^2}##
 
Mark44 said:
Yes, sort of. The same vector will be normal to both planes, but the two vectors don't have to be equal - one could be a scalar multiple of the other.


If A = (a1, a2, a3, a4) and B = (b1, b2, b3, b4) are two points in R4, then ##d(A, B) = \sqrt{ (a_1 - b_1)^2 + (a_2 - b_2)^2 + (a_3 - b_3)^2 + (a_4 - b_4)^2}##

Okay so H and H2 have same norm of (4,4,5,-6)?
What then is the "normalized norm n of the plane"?
 
concon said:
Okay so H and H2 have same norm of (4,4,5,-6)?
You should not use "norm" to talk about the normal to a plane. The term "norm" is used for something entirely different, and is something like the distance between two things.

I didn't say that H and H2 have the same normal. For example, I can see that the plane x + 2y - 4z = 0 has <1, 2, -4> as a normal. I can also see by inspection, that the plane 2x + 4y - 8z = 3 has <2, 4, -8> as a normal, but the latter vector is just a scalar multiple of the first. Any two vectors that are normal to these planes have to be scalar multiples of each other.
concon said:
What then is the "normalized norm n of the plane"?
Make that "normalized normal." A normalized vector is one whose length is 1.
 

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