How Do You Solve Complex Integrals Involving Rational Functions?

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The discussion revolves around integrating complex rational functions, specifically focusing on the integrals of expressions involving polynomials in the numerator and denominator.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore different methods for integration, including u-substitution and partial fractions. There is a discussion on recognizing patterns and manipulating expressions to facilitate integration.

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Some participants provide guidance on the use of u-substitution and suggest breaking down the integrals into simpler parts. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to the integrals presented, with no explicit consensus on the best method yet.

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Participants note potential difficulties in applying previous methods to new integrals due to differences in the structure of the functions involved. There is mention of needing to clarify expressions to avoid confusion in integration techniques.

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Hello I am trying to integrate this problem:
∫x-1/x^2-2x-3







My attempt solution is differ x^2 - 2x + 4 = 2x - 2 and basically the top x-1 can be manipulate by multiplying 2 this would give me the answer as 2 ln|x^2-2x+4| + c I am not sure I am right can somebody help me out? thank you!
 
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You are almost correct. This is where you went wrong, you should recognize this as a simple u-substitution. So you would set u=x^2-2x-3 and du=2x-2 dx. And you were correct in recognizing that it only differs the numerator by a constant, but what you would want to do is now divide du=2x-2 by 2. This gives (1/2)du=x-1dx. Now you can make the substitution. And you get ##(1/2)[integral]du/u= (1/2)ln(u)+c## then just plug back in for u and there's your answer.

Just try to physically write down the u substitution and everything that follows and you won't lose coefficients like that.
 
thanks ! sorry and for this one ∫x-3 / x^2+2x-3 .. i think can't do the same as the previous one because would be bottom 2x + 2 but in the top is x - 3 so is a bit impossible to do the previous method. but can i do by partial fractions (x+3) (x-1)
 
luigihs said:
thanks ! sorry and for this one ∫x-3 / x^2+2x-3 .. i think can't do the same as the previous one because would be bottom 2x + 2 but in the top is x - 3 so is a bit impossible to do the previous method. but can i do by partial fractions (x+3) (x-1)

You should have no trouble computing
\int \left( x - \frac{3}{x^2} + 2x - 3 \right) \, dx
which is what you wrote. If you meant something else, you must use parentheses.
 
luigihs said:
thanks ! sorry and for this one ∫x-3 / x^2+2x-3 .. i think can't do the same as the previous one because would be bottom 2x + 2 but in the top is x - 3 so is a bit impossible to do the previous method. but can i do by partial fractions (x+3) (x-1)

This one is the two parts, the first part will be the exact same as the previous integral. The next part will be just as easy. How can you break this into two integrals one of which is exactly the same as the previous problem?
 

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