How does a battery push charges? Potential difference?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding how a battery creates a potential difference and how this difference facilitates the movement of charges through a circuit. Participants explore the concepts of electric potential, electric fields, and the nature of charge flow in conductive materials.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how a battery pushes charges through a circuit, questioning the role of potential difference and electric fields.
  • Another participant explains that the electric field is related to the gradient of electric potential, suggesting a connection between potential difference and charge movement.
  • A different viewpoint clarifies that electric current in a wire is due to the flow of electrons, noting that the negative terminal of a battery has excess electrons while the positive terminal has a deficiency of electrons.
  • One participant acknowledges the convention of describing charge flow as positive charges moving, despite the actual movement being of negatively charged electrons.
  • A follow-up question is raised about the internal structure of a battery and whether it resembles a charged capacitor, implying a need for clarity on the nature of charge imbalance within the battery.
  • A suggestion is made to refer to an external video resource for further explanation on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the concepts discussed. There is no consensus on the explanations provided, and multiple interpretations of how batteries operate and how charges move remain evident.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of electric fields and potential differences, as well as the conventional descriptions of charge flow. There are unresolved questions about the internal workings of batteries and how they relate to charge movement.

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Hello there,

I'm confused on several things such as the potential difference it provides and how it pushes the charges through the wire or conductor or circuit.

So when a battery comes into contact with a wire, the positive charges flows from high potential through the circuit to the low potential. If I understood it correctly, it basically means the charges from the top of the battery flow through the circuit to get to the bottom of the battery, is this correct?

But how is it exactly doing this? Conceptually I'm not getting it and I'd rather understand it instead of simply believing it so.

The confusion I'm having is with potential difference. I thought it was the electric force providing the force to push charges. How exactly is the potential difference and electric field difference? I understand that the potential difference is scalar and electric field is a vector, but how does the potential difference from a battery provide the force, if I can call it that, to push charges?
 
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The electric field is the negative of the gradient of the electric potential ...
 
This may confuse you more, but you wanted to know what is happening. First of all. The actual operation of electric current through a wire is via electrons. Electrons have a negative charge. The negative terminal of a battery has ions which have excess electrons, so it has a negative charge. The positive terminal has ions which are missing some electrons, giving it a positive charge (each ion has more protons than electrons). So when a circuit is hooked up, you have the positive charge starts attracting electrons from the wire, and the negative charge starts repelling electrons into the wire.
The net effect is that electrons flow from the negative terminal, through the circuit to the positive terminal.

But the convention is that 'positive charges' flow from the positive terminal toward the negative. The net effect of negatively charged electrons moving up is the same, though.
I hope this helps.
 
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Hi Scottdave

I'm sorry I forgot to imply that it is actually that the negative charges that are moving, although use positive charges for easier demonstration.

Based on what you said, what exactly is inside the battery then? An imbalance of charges on both ends? Similar to a charge capacitor? Therefore once it's given a path for the electrons to move from high potential (the negative end) to low potential (the positive end) it will then move based on what you said?
 
I am going to point you to this Engineerguy video, which does a nice job of explaining
 

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