How Does a Magnetic Field Affect Eigenfrequencies in a Harmonic Oscillator?

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The discussion revolves around determining the eigenfrequencies of a particle in a harmonic oscillator setup, influenced by a magnetic field. The original poster presents a scenario involving a particle with mass and charge subjected to a linear restoring force and a magnetic field directed along the z-axis.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the eigenfrequencies using kinetic and potential energy expressions but questions the role of the magnetic field, noting that their initial calculation yields a single frequency without considering the magnetic influence.
  • Another participant introduces the electromagnetic Lagrangian, suggesting a different approach involving velocity-dependent forces, which prompts further inquiry from the original poster about the Lagrangian method.
  • There is a question raised about the assumption of simple harmonic motion (SHM) for each spatial component and whether to solve for the eigenfrequency based on that assumption.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of incorporating magnetic fields into harmonic oscillator dynamics, with references to potential energy and the need for additional resources to understand the Lagrangian approach. The original poster's homework constraints and hints suggest a deeper relationship between the eigenfrequencies and the cyclotron frequency, which remains unaddressed in the current discussion.

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Hello everyone. I'm trying to find the eiegenfrequencies in a problem.

We have a particle of mass m, charge e, that is subject to a linear restoring force
[tex]\textbf{F} = -k\textbf{r}[/tex]
and the particle is in a magnetic field [tex]\textbf{B} = B\textbf{k}[/itex]<br /> (in the z-direction)<br /> <br /> <h2>The Attempt at a Solution</h2><br /> I am a bit confused ecause I only get one eigen-frequency: sqrt(k/m), which is as though the magnetic field is not there.<br /> <br /> In finding the freq.s you determine the kinetic and potential energy. Th magnetic field has no addittion to the potential energy? This is what I did. I took:<br /> U = 0.5k(x^2 + y^2 + z^2)<br /> T = 0.5mv^2<br /> where v = <dx/dt, dy/dt, dz/dt><br /> which gave me the above answer, which I suspect is wrong, partly because the question goes on to say:<br /> "Write your answer in terms of sqrt(k/m) and the cyclotron freq. Hint: use the variable u=x+iy"<br /> <br /> I would be grateful for any help.[/tex]
 
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Well, electromagnetic Lagrangian is a little different, because there is a velocity-dependent force. I think it is

[tex]L = T - q\phi + q \mathbf{v\cdot A}[/tex]

where A is the vector potential of magnetic field.
 


Hhmm. I'll have to look it up. We never did the Lagrangian when considering velocity-dependent forces. I guess I'll have to look in another book. Thanks for the help Irid.
 


I'm sorry, this still isn't working. Do I assume each component x, y, z undergoes SHM, ie are of the form cos(wt), where w is the eigenfrequency, and then solve for w?
 

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