How Does Acceleration Affect Spring Stretch in an Adiabatic Piston System?

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The discussion centers on the calculation of spring stretch in an adiabatic piston system under acceleration. The initial equations derived for pressure changes on either side of the piston are debated, particularly the application of the adiabatic condition. Participants identify discrepancies in the algebra leading to different results for spring stretch, specifically questioning the factor of 8 versus 4 in the final equation. The consensus leans towards the original problem statement being correct, suggesting that the volume reference may need clarification. Ultimately, the participants agree that the provided answer is incorrect based on their calculations.
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Homework Statement


An adiabatic piston of mass m equally divides an insulated container of volume V0 and length l filled with Helium.The initial pressures on both sides of the piston is P0 and the piston is connected to a spring of constant k. The container starts moving with acceleration a. Find the stretch in spring when acceleration of piston becomes a. Assume displacement of piston << l.
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Homework Equations


For adiabatic process, ##PV^{\gamma}##=constant

The Attempt at a Solution


using above equation, if piston is displaced by x towards left, ##P_1=P\frac{V^{\gamma}}{V^{\gamma}-2Ax}##
similarly, for right portion, ##P_2=P\frac{V^{\gamma}}{V^{\gamma}+2Ax}##
Now A=V/l
substituting, ##P_1=P(1-2x/l)^{\gamma}=P(1-\frac{2x\gamma}{l})##
similarly, ##P_2=P(1+2x/l)^{\gamma}=P(1+\frac{2x\gamma}{l})##
Now ##\Delta P=4\gamma P/l##
and from Newton's law, ##\Delta PA+kx=ma##
so ##4x\gamma \frac{P}{l}\frac{V}{l}+kx=ma##
so $$x=\frac{ma}{K+\frac{4P_0V_0\gamma}{l^2}}$$
But answer given is: $$x=\frac{ma}{K+\frac{8P_0V_0\gamma}{l^2}}$$
 
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There seems to be some mistakes or typos in the algebra involved. The denominator in the first 2 equations should be ##({V+-2Ax})^\gamma## . I seem to get ##P_1=P(1-2x/l)^{-\gamma}## and similar for P2.
 
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AdityaDev said:
substituting ##P_1=P(1-2x/l)^{\gamma}##
Do you mean ##P(1-2x/l)^{-\gamma}##?
 
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sorry... ##P_1=(1-2x/l)^{-\gamma}=(1+2x\gamma/l)##
Answer is still same.
 
You use the approximation ##(1-2x/l)^{-\gamma}\approx(1+2x\gamma/l)## which i think its valid only if the exponent is positive and 2x<<l.
 
yes 2x<<l.
also, ##(1-x)^{n}=1-\frac{n}{1!}x+\frac{n(n+1)}{2!}x^2-##.This expansion is true for both positive and negative rational numbers and for negetive integers.
so, if x is small, then you can neglect all terms starting from 3rd term which gives you ##1-nx##
 
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I'm inclined to agree with your answer, it's 4, not 8.
 
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Well the only "easy" thing i see and could fix the result is that the V0 might refer to the volume of the half container, so that it is ##A=2V_0/l##. Maybe check the excersice description again?
 
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Delta² said:
Well the only "easy" thing i see and could fix the result is that the V0 might refer to the volume of the half container, so that it is ##A=2V_0/l##. Maybe check the excersice description again?
The question is correct and i checked it again. The answer given is wrong.
 
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