How Does Angular Momentum Affect the Velocity of a Disc on a Frictionless Table?

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The problem involves a disc on a frictionless table connected to a massless string and a flexible rope. The disc moves in a circular path, and the scenario changes when the string is released, allowing the radius of motion to vary. The focus is on understanding the relationship between angular momentum and the velocity of the disc as the radius changes.

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of angular momentum as a key concept in the problem. There are questions about how energy conservation relates to the derived formula for the azimuthal component of velocity. Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of energy conservation in this context.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between angular momentum and energy conservation. Some participants have offered insights into the conservation of angular momentum and its application to the problem, while others are seeking clarification on how these principles lead to the specific formula for velocity.

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Participants are considering the effects of changing radius on the motion of the disc and the implications for energy and angular momentum conservation. There is a recognition of the complexities involved in relating these concepts without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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A disc of mass M, which may be considered to be a point mass, is placed on a frictionless horizontal table. A massless string is fastened to the disc and is passed through a small hole at the centre of the table. The lower end of the string is tied to the end of a flexible rope of mass m per unit length which lies on the floor just under the hole in the table. Initially the lower end of the massless string is held firmly just at floor level and the disc is made to move in a circle, radius r0 about the hole, with a velocity of constant magnitude v0.

At a subsequent time, the end of the massless string is released from the floor, allowing the radius r of the circular motion of the disc to vary and the rope to be lifted off the floor. You may assume that the contact point between the rope and the floor remains vertically below the hole in the table and may neglect the effects of any horizontal motion of the rope along the floor.

The subsequent velocity of the disc has a radial component vr and an azimuthal component v. Show that the azimuthal component of the velocity is given by v = v0r0/r.


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Need a quantity that is conserved under the change of situation. Is it angular momentum?
 

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failexam said:

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Need a quantity that is conserved under the change of situation. Is it angular momentum?

remember the rope with mass gains P.E. while moving upwards, what form of energy does the mass on the table have? some of that is converted to P.E., and so the (insert answer to my question here) should remain constant.
 
The rope with mass gains P.E. while moving upwards; the mass on the table has kinetic energy. Some of that is converted to P.E., and so the total energy should remain constant.

Thank you so much!

But I'm not sure how the fact that the energy is conserved leads to the formula. Any hints?
 
failexam said:
But I'm not sure how the fact that the energy is conserved leads to the formula. Any hints?
i doubt it will lead to that, but yes, angular momentum is still conserved to answer your first question. To get the formula conservation of angular momentum would still work, though it would seem like a one step (so short it seems like a trick) solution imho.
 
L = r X p. Initally, the disc has only no radial component, so the angular momentum is mass*v0*r0. Later, the disc has a radial component and an azimuthal component, but the cross product of radial component with the the position gives zero, so that the angular momentum is mass*v*r. Equating the two gives the above formula. What do you think?
 
Would anyone care to say yes or no?
 

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