How Does Angular Momentum Affect Torque in a Suspended Hoop?

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a thin hoop suspended from a string, exploring the relationship between angular momentum and torque. Participants are examining the mechanics of the system as described in a specific textbook problem.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to compute angular momentum using the moment of inertia and angular velocity, while questioning how to account for the angle of the tension force in relation to the torque. They also express uncertainty about breaking down angular velocity into components and whether this approach is valid in the context of the problem.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering links to resources and others questioning the clarity of the original problem statement. There is a lack of consensus on how to approach the calculation of torque due to the angles involved, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants note that the problem may require approximations for small angles, and there is a mention of the need to reproduce the problem statement for clarity. Additionally, comparisons are being made between the hoop and a gyroscope, suggesting a deeper inquiry into the mechanics involved.

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Homework Statement


This is problem 7.7 from [kleppners mechanics book]http://books.google.ie/books?id=Hmq...rough a point on the rim of the hoop"&f=false but its also a general question on understanding this type of problem.

Homework Equations


L=Iω
dL/dt=ΩL=rxF

The Attempt at a Solution



The standard approach appears to be compute the angular momentum from Iω and find how it changes with respect to time, generally its ΩL where Ω is the precession about the axis, then compute the relevant torque and set them equal and solve for whatever your looking for.My problems arises in 7.7 as the force creating the torque(the tension in the string) is at an angle to axis and the r from r x F is also at angle to the axis. So I'm not quite sure how I get the relevant force, I'm thinking it's as simple as r x (perp component of T) but I'm not 100%.

I'm also not sure since, I'm breaking down ω as a vector into components, perp and parallel to the hoop, then computing the spin angular momentum from the perp ω and ignoring the parallel ω one. But I'm not sure if you can just do that in this problem because the way the torque is setup, maybe I need to include the other component of angular momentum into it?.

Help would be much appreciated.

As they say solve it approximately with small angles, I assume that means cosx=1 and sinx=xRight now for dL/dt i.e ΩL I have MR^2 ω^2 β
and for the torque I have with T=Mg torque=RMg(1+αβ)
 
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Google does not want to show that part of book anymore. You will have to reproduce the problem here to get any help.
 
voko said:
Google does not want to show that part of book anymore. You will have to reproduce the problem here to get any help.

Really? It shows me it just fine when I click on the link

http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~kovacs/Teaching/Mechanics/Kleppner-Kolenkow.pdf

page 352 question 7.7
 
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I have looked through the whole chapter in the book, and I have a question: how is the hoop different from a gyroscope tilted down?
 

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