How Does Capacitance Change with Different Dielectrics in Series?

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The discussion revolves around how to calculate the capacitance of a capacitor that contains two different dielectric materials situated between its plates. Participants explore the implications of the arrangement of these dielectrics, specifically whether they are in series or parallel, and how this affects the overall capacitance.

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  • One participant suggests treating the dielectrics in series, indicating that the arrangement affects the capacitance calculation.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to clarify whether the dielectrics are in series or parallel to determine the correct approach for calculating capacitance.
  • A participant describes the scenario where the dielectrics are in series, noting that each dielectric has a different dielectric constant and contributes to the overall capacitance as if they were two capacitors in series.
  • There is a mention of the formula for capacitance of a capacitor, C=kA/d, and the formula for two capacitors in series, C=C1C2/(C1+C2), but these are presented without consensus on their application in this specific context.

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Participants generally agree that the arrangement of the dielectrics (series or parallel) is crucial for determining capacitance. However, there is no consensus on the specific calculations or implications of each arrangement, indicating ongoing debate.

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The discussion lacks clarity on the specific configurations of the dielectrics and their respective dielectric constants, which may affect the calculations. Additionally, assumptions about the uniformity of the electric field and the area of the plates are not fully addressed.

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If two dielectric materials with dielectric constants k1 and k2 and thickness d1 and d2 are within two copper plates, how do you obtain a capacitance given that the cross sectional areas are all the same?
 
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Treat them in series.
 
atyy said:
Treat them in series.

Actually, it depends whether they are in parallel or in series.
 
Thanks for the reply but,

The two dielectrics are within one dielectric field capacitor, s how do we find the capacitance if both dielectrics are placed in between the plates?
 
adam29 said:
Thanks for the reply but,

The two dielectrics are within one dielectric field capacitor, s how do we find the capacitance if both dielectrics are placed in between the plates?

If the two dielectrics are placed in series, ie. one dielectric fills part of the distance, and the other fills the rest of the distance, then you treat them as two capacitors in series, each having a different dielectric constant.

If the two dielectrics are in parallel, ie. both fill the entire distance between the plates, but each only contacts part of the area of a plate, then you treat them as two capacitors in parallel (remembering to take into account that capacitance depends on the area of the plates).
 
As he said, you need to tell us if the dielectrics are sandwiched in series or in parallel.
 
Oh, I see d1 and d2 such that the total distance between the plates d= d1+d2. So they are just two capacitors in series.

The capacitance of one capacitor is C=kA/d, where k is related to the dielectric constant (look it up).

The capacitor of two capacitors in series is C=C1C2/(C1+C2).
 

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