How Does Entropy Influence Final Temperature in Gas Mixtures?

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The discussion revolves around understanding how entropy influences the final temperature in gas mixtures, particularly in the context of thermal equilibrium between two gases at different initial temperatures. Participants are exploring the relevant equations and concepts related to heat capacities and entropy changes.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to apply equations for final temperature and total entropy change, questioning the appropriateness of these equations in the context of gas mixtures. There is discussion about the role of heat capacities and how to determine them based on the number of moles. Some participants are also considering the implications of constant volume and pressure on the final temperature.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the correct application of formulas and the influence of various factors such as heat capacities and the number of moles. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being explored regarding the relationships between temperature, heat transfer, and gas properties.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working with limited information, specifically regarding the molar mass of the gases, which affects their ability to calculate heat capacities. The discussion also touches on assumptions about constant volume and pressure in the system.

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First, not sure if this is an adequate explanation but I think for both gases in both partitions, regardless of whether it starts off colder or warmer, the total entropy will increase in order to reach thermal equilibrium.

To find the final temprature, I have an equation in my notes for the final temprature when an object and its environment come in contact and reach a final temperature:

T_f = \frac{C_oT_o + C_eT_e}{C_o+C_e}

Is this the correct equation for this situation? And what kind of heat capacities are the C's (Cv or Cp)?

For the total entropy I would use the equation which gives the total change of entropy by the object+environment:

\Delta S_{o+e} = \Delta S_o + \Delta S_e = Q_{tot} \left( \frac{1}{T_o} - \frac{1}{T_e} \right)

And there is another equation:

\Delta S_{o+e} = C_o \ln \left( \frac{T_f}{T_o} \right) + C_e \ln \left( \frac{T_f}{T_e} \right)

I want to use the second one. But again how do I find the Ce and Co? The only info I am given is the number of moles. Any guidance is appreciated.
 
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My question really is what formulas need to be used for finding these particular heat capacities?
 
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roam said:
To find the final temprature, I have an equation in my notes for the final temprature when an object and its environment come in contact and reach a final temperature:

T_f = \frac{C_oT_o + C_eT_e}{C_o+C_e}
Where does the number of moles factor into your equation?
Is this the correct equation for this situation? And what kind of heat capacities are the C's (Cv or Cp)?
Will the final temperature be closer to 300 or 500 K? Why?

If volume constant? Is pressure constant?

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
Where does the number of moles factor into your equation?

How can I use the number of moles for finding C? Because that equation doesn't directly take the number of moles into account...

Will the final temperature be closer to 300 or 500 K? Why?

If volume constant? Is pressure constant?

How can I find that out? :confused: Intuitively, I think the final temprature would be somewhere between 300 and 500 K.

If volume is constant then the pressure would be constant as long as the number of moles don't change (we can see that from the equation P=nRT/V).
 
Since the hotter gas will lose some heat and the colder gas would gain that much heat I could use the equation Q=mc\Delta T for finding Tf:

m_1 C_1 (T_f - 300) = m_2 C_2 (T_f - 500)

Since it is the same type of gas in both partitions, is it okay to cancel out the C's on both sides (i.e C1=C2)?

To find the masses using the number of moles we can use use m=nM... but we don't know the molar mass of the gas. But would it be okay to also cancel out the M's on both sides?
 

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