How Does Input Resistance Affect Op Amp Performance?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the impact of input resistance on the performance of an operational amplifier (op amp), particularly in the context of an unideal op amp with a specified gain. Participants are exploring how to evaluate the input resistance and the implications of using a potentiometer in the circuit.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions needing to evaluate the input resistance of an unideal op amp, suggesting it should be around 10*10^10 Ω, but questions arise about the actual resistance values in the circuit.
  • Another participant points out a discrepancy between the stated input resistance and the figure provided, noting that Rin1 is given as 400 kΩ.
  • A different participant clarifies that the resistance named Rin is 400 kΩ but asserts that the overall input resistance of the circuit is not 400 kΩ and needs to be determined.
  • One suggestion involves redrawing the circuit to include a 400 kΩ resistor to ground and analyzing the circuit with respect to the external resistances.
  • Another participant proposes calculating the open-loop gain of the amplifier and using it to compute the input current for a given input voltage to find the circuit's input impedance.
  • There is uncertainty expressed regarding the use of a potentiometer in the circuit, with one participant questioning its application and suggesting it may be more relevant in a lab setting.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the input resistance value or the method for evaluating it. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the circuit configuration and the role of the potentiometer.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion over the definitions and values of input resistance and the specific circuit configuration. There are unresolved questions about the voltage equations and the placement of components in the circuit.

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I have an un ideal OA aplifier(Amax=-9.975).
I have to evaluate its Rinput--> it has to be something like 10*10^10 Ω

I need to put a potenciometr after Vin and to "play" with it when I get half of Vout/vin.
when do I need to put it?
and what is my voltage equations? thanks.
 

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axcelenator said:
I have an un ideal OA aplifier(Amax=-9.975).
I have to evaluate its Rinput--> it has to be something like 10*10^10 Ω

I need to put a potenciometr after Vin and to "play" with it when I get half of Vout/vin.
when do I need to put it?
and what is my voltage equations? thanks.

Your text does not match your figure, as far as I can see.

What do you mean when you say "Rin has to be something like 10*10^10 Ω"? In the figure, Rin1 is given as 400 kΩ.
 
the resistance named Rin is 400K.
But: the input resistance of the circuit is not 400. that's what I have to find
 
So you'll redraw the circuit, this time replacing the triangle with a 400k resistor to ground at the input, and show a voltage source with a gain of 20000 and so on. Surround it with the external circuit resistances, then analyze that.

I don't know anything about putting a potentiometer somewhere and playing with it. Maybe that's something you do in the lab?
 
Given the actual gain of the circuit = 9.975 vs. the ideal op amp gain of 10.000 you can compute the open-loop gain of the amplifier.

You then compute the input current for a given inut voltage to get the circuit's input impedance.

You can then put a potentiometer in series with the 1K input resistor and determine the value needed to halve the output.

That is, if I understood what you are trying to say, which is dubious.
 

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