How Does Kirchhoff's Loop Rule Apply to a Two Battery, Three Resistor Circuit?

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The discussion focuses on applying Kirchhoff's Loop Rule to a circuit with two batteries and three resistors. Participants clarify that the two battery voltages can be combined, regardless of their positions in the circuit. They emphasize using Ohm's law to find the current by calculating the total resistance and applying the loop rule. The original poster's confusion about the "magnitude of the direction" is addressed, suggesting they meant to inquire about both the magnitude and direction of the current. The conversation concludes with a step-by-step approach to solving the circuit using Kirchhoff's principles.
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I'm not sure where to begin. The problem asks to find the magnitude of the direction of the current in a two battery system with three resistors. However, it appears the junction rule cannot be applied. The loop rule may be implemented but I don't know how to get the current. The link to the problem is below.

http://negatrons.homestead.com/files/Kirchhoff.jpg
 
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Add the two cell pd's together for a start - just because they aren't next to each other doesn't mean that you can't add them up (they are both connected the same way round.

Then find the total resistance and you are nearly there.

Also, post these in the homework help section in future!
 
Magnitude of the direction of the current? I didn't know direction had magnitude.
 
helpme12345 said:
I'm not sure where to begin. The problem asks to find the magnitude of the direction of the current in a two battery system with three resistors. However, it appears the junction rule cannot be applied. The loop rule may be implemented but I don't know how to get the current.
It's a simple series circuit. Combine the batteries and the resistors and apply Ohm's law.
 
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While it may be really simple, let's apply the loop rule... to see that the rule really works [and so I can try to draw a circuit :cool: ].

(Assume that we traverse the loop clockwise, which defines our choice of "positive current" [akin to choosing an axis].)
\begin{align*}<br /> 0&amp;=(V_B-V_A) + (V_D-V_B) + (V_E-V_D)+ (V_C-V_E)+ (V_A-V_E)\\<br /> &amp;=(-I_1R_1)+(V_1)+(-I_2R_2)+(V_2)+(-I_3R_3)\\<br /> \intertext{in series, the currents are equal}<br /> &amp;=(-IR_1)+(V_1)+(-IR_2)+(V_2)+(-IR_3)\\<br /> &amp;=-I(R_1+R_2+R_3)+(V_1+V_2)\\<br /> \end{align*}
Now, solve for the current I.

I think the original poster meant "magnitude and direction" of the current.
 
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