How does light act leaving, traveling between, and entering galaxies?

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The discussion explores how light behaves when leaving, traveling between, and entering galaxies, focusing on the effects of galactic mass, the nature of intergalactic space, and the influence of a galaxy's motion and gravitational fields on light. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications related to astrophysics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the mass and speed of a galaxy might propel light in all directions when leaving a galaxy, and what that would look like at a galactic scale.
  • Another participant notes that light leaving the Sun experiences gravitational redshift, suggesting that light climbs out of a gravitational potential well, while also mentioning gravitational blueshift as light approaches massive bodies.
  • It is proposed that light is bent as it passes near massive bodies, a phenomenon known as gravitational lensing.
  • One participant argues that the motion of galaxies is slow relative to the speed of light, implying that their effect on light is negligible except near dense regions like black holes.
  • Another participant emphasizes that intergalactic space is of extraordinarily low density compared to interstellar space, suggesting that light can travel through these regions with minimal obstruction.
  • It is mentioned that gravitational lensing is significant on large scales involving clusters of galaxies, rather than individual galaxies.
  • One participant asserts that light can leave, enter, and travel within a galaxy nearly without obstruction due to the low density of the interstellar medium.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of galactic mass and motion on light, with some suggesting significant influences while others argue for negligible effects. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific dynamics of light in relation to galaxies.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about gravitational effects and the nature of intergalactic space, as well as the dependence on definitions of vacuum and density. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of light behavior in different galactic contexts.

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i have a three part question. how does light act leaving, traveling between, and entering a galaxy? we have come to the conclusion that the speed and direction of of traveling light is effected by its surroundings. I'm wondering what that looks like at a galactic scale.

first, leaving a galaxy, can the mass and speed of said galaxy propel the light out in all directions? how fast would that be?

next, is the space outside a galaxy really like a massive vacuum?

finally, could the spinning galaxy pull in the light? how fast? could some of it bounce back out (like if the space shuttle botched it's approach)? how would it act in reference to the stellar population at the time of entry?
 
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Light leaving our Sun experiences a gravitational redshift (increase in wavelength). You may think of the light as “climbing out of a gravitational potential well”.
http://www.mrelativity.net/Gravitat...ravitational Effects on Light Propagation.htm

The reverse is true: light experiences an attractive gravitational blueshift (decrease in wavelength) as it approaches a massive body.

Light is bent (curved) as it passes near a massive body. Astrophysicists say “light travels along the null geodesic of curved spacetime”. This is called “Gravitational Lensing”.

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Galaxies motion is slow relative to the speed of light, so it has virtually zero effect on light. The gravitational influence of anyone galaxy is also basically negligible save where light happens to pass near dense regions [like a black hole]. This would be a rare occurrence within a galaxy and virtually non-existent in intergalactic space. Gravitational lensing occurs on large scales involving clusters of galaxies. Intergalactic space is of extraordinarly low density compared to interstellar densities. The overwhelming effect on light over intergalactic distances is due expansion [cosmic redshift].
 
Chronos said:
Intergalactic space is of extraordinarly low density compared to interstellar densities.
... and even the interstellar medium is a very good vacuum, many orders of magnitude better than the vacuum in the LHC ring, for example.

Light can fly within, leave and enter a galaxy nearly without any obstruction.
 

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