How Does Temperature Change in an Adiabatic Process of a Carnot Engine?

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The discussion revolves around the temperature changes in an adiabatic process within the context of a Carnot engine. Participants are exploring the relationship between heat transfer and temperature changes, particularly in adiabatic conditions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning how temperature can change in an adiabatic process despite the definition of adiabatic as no heat exchange. Some are discussing the implications of the first law of thermodynamics and the relationship between internal energy and temperature.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts involved, with some participants providing insights into the definitions of heat and temperature. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and confusion, particularly around the terminology used in thermodynamics.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and implications of adiabatic processes, and how they relate to temperature changes, indicating a need for clarity on these fundamental concepts.

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I have to draw a temperature versus entropy for a carnot engine. My solutions say that as a parallel to the PV diagram, the adiabatics on the TS diagram are vertical, going from t2 to t1 and vise versa. My question is really how an adiabatic change results in a temperature change. adiabatic means no heat or out so how can the temperature change at all?
 
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adiabatic means no heat exchange! yes,
but beware - Heat does not equal temperature! - this is a misnomer that people struggle with due to the common usage in everyday language.

Heat = "transfer' of energy,..but just because there is no transfer doesn't mean the temperature can't change

i.e. take the ideal gas case
P_i V_i = nRT_i \qquad P_f V_f = nRT_f
\Longrightarrow \frac{T_i}{T_f} = \frac{P_iV_i}{P_fV_f}

so, by changes P and V we can change temperature, without heat
 
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Chronos000 said:
My question is really how an adiabatic change results in a temperature change. adiabatic means no heat or out so how can the temperature change at all?
Temperature changes because energy must be conserved. That is the first law of thermodynamics: dQ = dU + dW where dQ is the heat flow into the gas, dW is the work done BY the gas and dU is the change in internal energy of the gas.

One can easily see that if dQ = 0 then dU = - dW. That is to say that the change in internal energy of the gas must be of equal magnitude and opposite in sign to the work done by the gas. When a gas expands adiabatically, it does work: dW = PdV. This has to come entirely from the internal energy of the gas since there is no heat flow. So U must decrease. Since internal energy is proportional to temperature for an ideal gas, the temperature must decrease.

AM
 
I'm pretty happy with this now thanks. was really the wordplay which confused me
 

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