How is Density Related to Depth in the Ocean?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between water density and depth in the ocean, specifically exploring a formula that connects density at a given depth to surface density, incorporating the bulk modulus of water.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the derivation of the density formula and the implications of the resulting expression, particularly the issue of infinite density at certain depths. There is an exploration of using a Taylor expansion to address the problem and considerations regarding the model's limitations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using a Taylor expansion and have prompted further reflection on the model's applicability at extreme depths. There is an acknowledgment of the challenges faced in the derivation and the need to consider the model's constraints.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the specific depth limits where the model may no longer hold, particularly referencing depths such as 1000 m and 11000 m in the ocean.

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Homework Statement



Show that the density of water at a depth z in the ocean is related to the surface density rho_s by
<br /> \rho(z) \approx \rho_s [1 + (\rho_s g/B)z]<br />
where B is the bulk modulus of water.

Homework Equations



B = -V (dP/dV)
B = rho (dP/d rho)

3. The Attempt at a Solution


I've been trying to get this problem for 4 hours...aaargh.

I started by relating the change in pressure to the change in depth: pressure increases with depth.
<br /> \frac{dP}{dz} = \rho(z) g<br />


so

<br /> dP = \rho(z) g \, dz<br />

Then, substituting this expression for dP into the second formula above, I got

<br /> B = \rho^2 g \frac{dz}{d\rho}<br />

Then I got
<br /> \frac{d\rho}{dz} = \frac{\rho^2 g}{B}<br />


This is a separable differential equation, but I don't think it's the right one. I tried solving it with the initial condition rho(0) = rho_s and got
<br /> \rho(z) = \frac{\rho_s}{1 - \frac{\rho_s g}{B}z}<br />


which doesn't make sense because density should not become infinite at a certain depth. What did I do wrong?
 
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For the answer you got, take a Taylor expansion about ## z = 0 ##. As for the infinite density at a certain depth, maybe it would be good to think about the limitations of the model. Also, you might want to calculate what that depth is for water.
 
Geofleur said:
For the answer you got, take a Taylor expansion about ## z = 0 ##. As for the infinite density at a certain depth, maybe it would be good to think about the limitations of the model. Also, you might want to calculate what that depth is for water.

Hmm...yes, it does look like the second term in the denominator stays small for depths up to 1000 m. At 11000 m (the Marianas trench is about as deep), the denominator is 1 - 0.049, which to me means the model ought not to be used here. Thanks! That was not obvious to me at all.
 
bigplanet401 said:
Hmm...yes, it does look like the second term in the denominator stays small for depths up to 1000 m. At 11000 m (the Marianas trench is about as deep), the denominator is 1 - 0.049, which to me means the model ought not to be used here. Thanks! That was not obvious to me at all.
Even at that depth, it's not a bad approximation.

Chet
 

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