How is overall charge neutrality conserved in beta decay?

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of overall charge during beta decay, specifically examining how charge neutrality is maintained when a neutral cesium atom decays into a barium atom, an electron, and a neutrino. Participants explore the implications of charge conservation in the context of nuclear decay and the behavior of emitted electrons.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how charge neutrality is conserved when a neutral Cs atom decays into a positively charged Ba ion and an emitted electron.
  • One participant suggests that the emitted electron creates an electron-hole pair, which may eventually recombine, thus maintaining overall charge neutrality in the surrounding material.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the Ba atom becomes a positive ion immediately after the decay due to the loss of an electron, but this charge imbalance can be neutralized by interactions with the environment.
  • Some argue that the emitted electron is not captured by the Ba atom, leading to a temporary charge imbalance until electrons from the environment can recombine with the Ba ion.
  • There is mention of the possibility of a charge buildup in isolated beta-active materials, which could lead to spontaneous discharge events.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how charge neutrality is maintained post-decay, with some asserting that the emitted electron leads to a positive ion, while others discuss the role of environmental interactions in restoring charge balance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of charge conservation in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the emitted electron is highly energetic and not bound to the atom, which contributes to the charge imbalance. There are also references to the lack of discussion on this topic in elementary textbooks, indicating a potential gap in educational resources.

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This is probably a dumb question, but a student asked me and I can't figure out the answer:

When a nucleus decays via beta decay, for example (in poorly formatted text):

55 Cs → 56 Ba + e− + ν

How is overall charge neutrality conserved? Clearly, the reaction appears to conserve charge, but if we start with a neutral Cs atom (55 electrons), the resultant Ba atom is now a positive ion (56 p+, 55 e-).

Is this what happens? Does the radioactive material slowly shed negative charge and accumulate excess positive charge? I understand there is an electron capture reaction (which does not apply here), and I suspect the nuclear decay is violent enough that orbiting electrons are perturbed, but I honestly don't know how to answer the question.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Andy Resnick said:
This is probably a dumb question, but a student asked me and I can't figure out the answer:

When a nucleus decays via beta decay, for example (in poorly formatted text):

55 Cs → 56 Ba + e− + ν

How is overall charge neutrality conserved? Clearly, the reaction appears to conserve charge, but if we start with a neutral Cs atom (55 electrons), the resultant Ba atom is now a positive ion (56 p+, 55 e-).

Is this what happens? Does the radioactive material slowly shed negative charge and accumulate excess positive charge? I understand there is an electron capture reaction (which does not apply here), and I suspect the nuclear decay is violent enough that orbiting electrons are perturbed, but I honestly don't know how to answer the question.

Thanks in advance.

I asked the same question in my nuclear physics class, and although I can't recall the precise answer (it was a long time ago), this was the general idea.

Since charge is conserved in the reaction, you haven't really created any new charged particles. You have instead created an electron-hole pair, in much the same way as you might do by shining light on a semi-conductor. Eventually, the electron will re-combine with the hole, although this may take a while and occur through several steps.

For example, let's assume that the Cs atom is embedded in some bulk material. The beta-electron will be emitted and travel some distance away into the bulk material as an exciton. The Ba ion "hole" created might then "capture" (not the nuclear decay process, just charge recombination) an electron from an adjacent atom, resulting in "hopping" of the hole. Eventually the "hole" will recombine with the electron exciton.

The situation is different if the Cs atom is at the surface, and the electron is emitted (say) into the atmosphere. At that point, you do get a charge imbalance, but a small amount of charge imbalance is not a big deal for macroscopic systems. Unless the beta decay rate is extremely fast, the electrons can be replenished by small parasitic currents from "ground".

I suppose that if you had a well-isolated chunk of beta-active material in a vacuum chamber, you might eventually build up enough of a charge imbalance that the voltage would rise to such levels that you would get a spontaneous discharge, rebalancing the charge in spectacular fashion. I wonder if that has ever been observed?
 
How is overall charge neutrality conserved? Clearly, the reaction appears to conserve charge, but if we start with a neutral Cs atom (55 electrons), the resultant Ba atom is now a positive ion (56 p+, 55 e-).

It looks like you are neglecting to account for the electron created in the process. This will not be captured by the atom, so it will still be positively charged. Accounting for everything you will now have 56 protons and 56 electrons, only 55 of which are bound to the nucleus.Also, from wikipedia on conservation of charge:

This does not mean that individual positive and negative charges cannot be destroyed. Electric charge is carried by subatomic particles such as electrons and protons, which can be created and destroyed. In particle physics, charge conservation means that in elementary particle reactions that create charged particles, equal numbers of positive and negative particles are always created, keeping the net amount of charge unchanged. Similarly, when particles are destroyed, equal numbers of positive and negative charges are destroyed.
 
Drakkith said:
It looks like you are neglecting to account for the electron created in the process. This will not be captured by the atom, so it will still be positively charged. Accounting for everything you will now have 56 protons and 56 electrons, only 55 of which are bound to the nucleus.


Also, from wikipedia on conservation of charge:

I understand that. But the emitted electron is highly energetic and is not bound to the atom- is the daughter atom (in this case Ba) a positive ion? SpectraCat's response was more like what I was thinking- there is indeed a buildup of static charge which can be easily canceled by parasitic currents (even from the air). It's odd that the elementary textbooks are completely silent about this.
 
Ba is a positive ion immediately after emission and in fact there will follow a line of positive ions and negative ions (electrons) caused by the beta particle ionising the atoms it collides with.The particles will quickly return to neutrality as positive and negative ions recombine.
 
Andy Resnick said:
I understand that. But the emitted electron is highly energetic and is not bound to the atom- is the daughter atom (in this case Ba) a positive ion? SpectraCat's response was more like what I was thinking- there is indeed a buildup of static charge which can be easily canceled by parasitic currents (even from the air). It's odd that the elementary textbooks are completely silent about this.

Perhaps I misunderstood your question. If you were asking how a material stays neutral after beta decay, then yes, I would say that it captures electrons from the air or whatever material it is sitting on. I thought you were asking about charge conservation.
 

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